Shroud Etiquette and why we as a server should stop screwing over newer players

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Intro/Disclaimer:
Overall this message is meant to inform players who may not already know about what goes on and why. To help them make the right choices when it comes to joining shroud LFMs. Some players may join the LFMs that do not best benefit them becaue they simply don't understand the concepts. Additionally I have a more lofty goal in mind of changing the servers concept of a "speedrun" as a whole - see the bottom for details on that.

What this is not meant to do:
Tell people how to run their own raids - only to encouarge them to be considerate of how they might impact others.
Tell people which groups to join - only to encourage them to make choices that will make Khyber a friendlier place overall.

I know I know veterans:

"I got my core group of friends, what do I care?"

Not all new players are bad. So please. Avoid screwing them over in the Shroud by default to save yourself a whole 1 minute.

What im talking about:

Shroud "speed" runs LFMs or so there called - ones that Deny players from looting along the way and from leaving at the end. Unless you actually have a hardened group that's going for a world record for fun (In which case you probably won't need an LFM)- I'd ask that you not do these. (But I fully acknowledge that you as a Raid leader have the right to run your raid absolutely any way you wish)

Why?

Because they screw over the new player.

Shroud was always intended by the original designers to be a multi-tier'd raid. Where some less prepared groups would not be expected to finish it - But still get some loot and or XP out of it as long as they completed 1 part. Or even if they did finish it, have the option to leave and go again to gain more ingredients.

Some new players will want to leave and go again. Don't deny them this option. (Again: I fully acknowledge that you as a Raid leader have the right to run your raid absolutely any way you wish - I just don't agree with it)

By denying newers players who simply do not have multiple characters like yourself ready to go a chance from doing this, your doing a dis-service to our entire server.

So please. Allow the more casual or newer players to get there loot as normal and leave at the end if they so desire.
If you MUST save that whole 1 minute or whatever from not looting early on - Why not simply ask your party politely beforehand once it's full if they would be ok with that? Why enforce the rule on everyone who might be interested in running the raid at that time in the LFM?
Give them the chance at least.

You don't need to answer. We know why:
Greed.
You want more loot faster and new players don't matter right. Why should you care?

Because it's not worth it. Screwing over new players to save yourself a few minutes is not making our server a fun or friendly place for newer players. And new players keep Khyber alive and interesting.

And the arguements:
1. But they could just run there own, mines for Veterans only!
Well some new players simply don't have the knowledge and skill to lead the raid - and even if they do.. Well chances are the Veterans looking for a group will join the name they know better, leaving them with no one to run with even if they do make such an attempt.

2. But they are really better off completing and getting the part5 chests anyways since it would lead to a faster greensteel upgrade. I'm doing them a favor by forcing them to complete!
Good for you. And maybe your right? Maybe not? Either way that's not your right to decide for them. You should have the courtesy to give the players a choice. Even if you think there making the wrong choice - They deserve the right to make that decision on their own. Letting players choose for themselves makes for a friendly overall experience, and a friendlier server.

I know this plea won't be heard by the hardcore shroud leaders that lead these types of things. And I fully acknowledge that you as a Raid leader have the right to run your raid absolutely any way you wish - I simply disagree with it.

I just think our servers image as a whole for doing this needs to change. And changing this overall image of our server willl require our whole servers effort.

So I offer a plea to the players of Khyber - new and veteran alike:
If you are looking to run Shroud and see multiple groups - Join the one that isn't going to screw over the new players. Join a regular run. Don't encourage these people who only care about there own greed.




Further notes for those interested:
Our server has 2 common LFM designations:
Speedrun/No DD/Loot at end: This is the one I'm referring to that screws over the new player.
Semi-Speed: This just means the group wants to go fast, but won't do anything to screw over a new player. This is perfectly acceptable in my opinion.

What I hope (I realize this is a lofty goal) to change for our server as a whole:
Speedrun = means what semi speed means now.
Semi speed term is phased out as it should not even exist.

Final Disclaimer:
AGAIN I do not care about how you personally run your personal shroud run - This is not about you, it's about the bigger picture. I care about our Servers image as a whole and how we defined "speedrun". I care about players overall thoughts on our community.