Shroud Etiquette and why we as a server should stop screwing over newer players

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You one of them there mudmonkeys aintcha!

[Doktr_Strangelove]

You one of them there mudmonkeys aintcha!

Sshhhh!


By the way, what is with the atrocious spelling in this thread and the misuse of their / there and your / you're?

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By the way, what is with the atrocious spelling in this thread and the misuse of their / there and your / you're?

The OP has a way with bringing them out.
"Birds of a feather flock together?"

[spencerhawk]

Sshhhh!


By the way, what is with the atrocious spelling in this thread and the misuse of their / there and your / you're?

To annoy you Art.

[Schmoe]

May I have your attention please?

That was beautiful man. This thread is now worth it.

[sephiroth1084]

+1 Doktr. Very well said a page back.

[Thrudh]

Not sure you understand what that would mean - if you left early on a "Speed Run" you would have spent 20 minutes in a quest and left without getting anything!

Stay, kill the boss, then go loot all your chests.

The leaving early (with or without the Raid Leaders ok) part is what I don't get from normal runs, normally when a D-Door was mentioned at the beginning and probably when part 5 started.

Again, all back to communication, and working as a team. Also of course no jerks clicking on the alter in a normal run before people who were promised a D-Door are allowed the time to get out. But that can be an issue in any group on any server.

Personally, as near the beginning of the thread there was talk of black listing, this would be what I would consider deserving of being black listed for. If D-Door's were promised, give the people a minute to get out!

Barumar

No, you don't understand... On Thelanis, there are NO speed run LFMs... People are ALWAYS given a chance to get out AFTER Harry is dead... No one leaves early, because no one has been burned before...

I've seen plenty of posts on your server talking about not giving people time to recall out after he's dead... It does appear that groups that don't want to wait 30 seconds after Harry is dead DO communicate this... They do tell people to recall at 5%... Yet people are stupid or don't listen, and end up getting a completion when they didn't want one...

So on your server, they've been burned... Yes, they should be able to read the LFM or listen to chat, and figure out how THIS run is going to go... but with various different types of runs, they're nervous... And as soon as one group doesn't follow the LFM (LFM states there will be a ddoor, but then someone clicks on the altar immediately), now they've been burned, so in subsequent runs they recall out early to make sure that doesn't happen again.

I'm not saying you guys are wrong to have different types of runs... I'm saying sometimes you have groups that can't stand to wait 30 seconds for people to recall out... Because of that, people leave at 5% or 10% to be sure.

[Thrudh]

I was waiting to get to the end to see if I was going to be the only one to call him out on this. Either way I intened to.

Axer you can try and slant this however you want and say you're not telling people to put up these LFMs rather you're telling people not to join LFMs like those.

Guess what those LFMs are? They're the exact LFMs a certain axe wielding barbarian had been putting up for years. Only it wasn't the Shroud. Screw the gear requirements etc. that said barbarian sometimes required. He's totally right he never required them to have gear very often. Just haste, rage, displacement, and every other buff that he could think of. Almost every single LFM he ever put up had him as the only melee in the party. The rest of the pary members are only people who he can benefit from. Him and only him. I.E. buffers and healers and people who will not need to roll on gear that he wanted to get. Yes they were pugs as he stated because that's the only people who would tolerate running under those circumstances. Those LFMs he posted are exatly the posts you're trying to tell people not to join. Only this time it's the Shroud instead of quest x, y or z on epic.

This is true Shade... you had some pretty newb-unfriendly LFMs up in your day too... We all still make fun of you for your LFMs with just you, two buffers, and 3 clerics. You didn't allow newb melee to come along to compete with you for melee-loot.

[PopeJual]

No, you don't understand... On Thelanis, there are NO speed run LFMs... People are ALWAYS given a chance to get out AFTER Harry is dead... No one leaves early, because no one has been burned before...

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And as soon as one group doesn't follow the LFM (LFM states there will be a ddoor, but then someone clicks on the altar immediately), now they've been burned, so in subsequent runs they recall out early to make sure that doesn't happen again.

Are you actually saying that people have never been burned by an unwanted completion on Thelanis? Really?

[sephiroth1084]

Are you actually saying that people have never been burned by an unwanted completion on Thelanis? Really?

A Whole New World!

[Thrudh]

Are you actually saying that people have never been burned by an unwanted completion on Thelanis? Really?

I bet you 99.9% of Thelanis Shroud runs wait for everyone to recall out before hitting the altar...

I done several hundred runs, and I've NEVER seen anyone hit the altar without letting people recall first.

We certainly don't have any speed runs where the GOAL is to hit the altar as fast as possible

[PopeJual]

I bet you 99.9% of Thelanis Shroud runs wait for everyone to recall out before hitting the altar...

I done several hundred runs, and I've NEVER seen anyone hit the altar without letting people recall first.

We certainly don't have any speed runs where the GOAL is to hit the altar as fast as possible

I've done a little over 150 Shrouds on Argo and I've seen 2 griefers who clicked the altar on purpose (making sure that they waited until people had used the DDoor but hadn't yet gotten out of the raid) and 2 morons who just clicked by accident. That's about the level that would I expect in the PUGs that you'd find on most servers.

Maybe Thelanis just doesn't have griefers or morons. I suppose it's possible.

[Ghaldar]

I bet you 99.9% of Thelanis Shroud runs wait for everyone to recall out before hitting the altar...

I done several hundred runs, and I've NEVER seen anyone hit the altar without letting people recall first.

We certainly don't have any speed runs where the GOAL is to hit the altar as fast as possible

I would say that Khyber percentage would be comparible as well. We just ***** more about the 0.9% that have been burned. Most people who complain about being burnt did not read the lfm jumped into a speed run and got ****ed when someone hit the altar.

Either way I do not care I will go with the party leads instructions. I never join speed runs now unless I know the leader personally. I dislike not looting as we go. I run my shrouds semi-speed loot as we go and stop the ******** buffs. I prefer buffing on the run and roll for shards on second to last portal. but that is just me. Others do as you want.

The real issue on Khyber atm is people who suddenly go link dead in part 4 then drop group as they change characters. LFM said completion DD at end loot as we go. Is it that hard or too much to expect people to be decent?

It is to the point now, where we used to pug out the last two spots on some guild shroud runs, that we have moved to just short manning it. I have never had an issue bringing along a couple pugs to fill out the guild raids. But now its becoming more trouble than it is worth and worth a pot or two not to deal with it.

[Daggaz]

I was lucky enough to go on my first shroud with Over Raided on Orion. Man. They go fast. And they looted on the way. And they may have been overbuffing according to some opinions on these forums. But man, did they go fast. I got used to it, actually. Did quite a few runs with them exclusively, and also got introduced to several other raids, where I was lucky enough to be the solo healer. Just had to follow their directions, and man, did we go fast. FAST.

Then I played with some pugs. Holy ****. So thats how your screw up a raid, huh? I hadn't realized people could raid so painfully slow. I thought shroud was always a cakewalk (and it should be).

Anyhow, my point is, if you are shaving a minute or two off of shroud by not looting, you are already doing something wrong. You can do it so fast anyhow, I honestly fail to see any benefit from this. And if you arent going that fast, then chances are high that its not stopping to click a box thats slowing you down. Of course, if you are in a guild only group, where everybody has sick amounts of gear and only needs the tier 3 drops.. sure ok. But then again, those groups dont put up LFMs, do they? So I gotta agree with Shade on this one.

Also, big thanks to OR for taking me on and showing me the ropes, I appreciated it big time, guys =)

[NeutronStar]

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Well said.

+1

[flynnjsw]

Anyhow, my point is, if you are shaving a minute or two off of shroud by not looting, you are already doing something wrong.

The point is, there is no wrong unless you fail. it is the raid Leaders discretion, period. If you don't want to run it that way, don't. However, don't try to tell someone they are doing it wrong just because they are not doing it your way.

[stainer]

I think I should be allowed to craft along the way too. I mean I am there, the altar is there. What is the harm in it?

[flynnjsw]

I think I should be allowed to craft along the way too. I mean I am there, the altar is there. What is the harm in it?

Wait, you don't?

[Film]

I think I should be allowed to craft along the way too. I mean I am there, the altar is there. What is the harm in it?

Well if you have time to craft, I am going to take a bio and grab a sammich!

[karunch]

I believe most of the ppl complaining about not looting on a "SpeedRun" are missing the whole point of raid participation. If you take the time to loot the chests while everyone else is in the next part of the raid you are not participating with the group (Piker). While you are getting your loot the other 11 members are continueing the raid minus your presence. Also when people loot the chest in each part before moving on some players may DC and if you are looting the chests then they get screwed.

The idea behind the SpeedRun is not about the loot....its about the continous flow from 1-5 without stopping thus making for a ~20 minute completion time. After said completion...it is about the loot.....where else can you loot 12 chests in a row?