Trade advertising in the LFM window.

[karnokvolrath]

1. Why is it such a issue for people to want to use someone else's boat? Crafting may need to be done ASAP, and they may be on timer for shroud. And not everyone has a high level guild. I actually find it more annoying that people think there boat is too holy for anyone but there own guild


2. If those trade lfm's bother you so much, don't look at them. Reporting for that is weak.


3. You know what's the lamest lfm's? "Private" "Insert Random Guild Name Here" That is what guild chat is for. That should be the real reportable offense just because of the shear stupidity.


Edit: Oh, a neg rep for this? Lawl

Win.

I think LFMing for differnt stuff is dumb, but letting it actually get to you is dumber....
And i do agree the reserved for guild is silly.

Funny how ships are off limit.

Anyone on Argo, as long as i dont hate you for something unrelated, feel free to msg me for some love.

[Emag]

Comments.

I didn't neg, but you are trolling.

I don't want in them. They're generally filled with terrible players, that as a whole are a part of a terrible guild. I find them more comical than anything. And as for trolling, far from it. Far, far from it.

[Ilindith]

Unless they've changed it recently, the ship altars require you to be level 14 anyways. Edit: I suppose it's worth mentioning that I only tried the tier 1 altar and gave up. Tier 2 & 3 might have other requirements, but I rather doubt it.

Edit2: I suppose to get back on topic...back when I could report, I'd report the trade ones all the time, and they'd go away. Most of the others seem to stick around. It's essentially spam - some people don't mind, others are annoyed by it.

I didn't have the required level for shards either, but the mats still all went in the altars and mixed to get what I wanted, at level 11 Dunno if it is WAI or not but it still worked. This was 2-3 months ago.

[Blank_Zero]

I don't want in them. They're generally filled with terrible players, that as a whole are a part of a terrible guild. I find them more comical than anything. And as for trolling, far from it. Far, far from it.

Sometimes yes. Most times no.

Trolling is a very vague term though.

But don't worry too much about it. I got negged for mine too

[Ilindith]

I don't want in them. They're generally filled with terrible players, that as a whole are a part of a terrible guild. I find them more comical than anything. And as for trolling, far from it. Far, far from it.

You are not green and you do not regenerate anyway.

[Ilindith]

My LFMs are so private I show them to everyone.
....wait

[Lavek]

1. Why is it such a issue for people to want to use someone else's boat? Crafting may need to be done ASAP, and they may be on timer for shroud. And not everyone has a high level guild. I actually find it more annoying that people think there boat is too holy for anyone but there own guild


2. If those trade lfm's bother you so much, don't look at them. Reporting for that is weak.


3. You know what's the lamest lfm's? "Private" "Insert Random Guild Name Here" That is what guild chat is for. That should be the real reportable offense just because of the shear stupidity.


Edit: Oh, a neg rep for this? Lawl

agreed, here you go a +1 for justice

[azmodeus1]

reportable for anything other than looking for members?

so something with "WTS [xxx scroll]" would be unacceptable, but "LFM to discuss sale of [xxx scroll]" could pass? i mean you could be doing an auction type thing, or discussing price with voice within a party. arguably such a party could be valid.

also what about the resetting instance lfm's? i assume its not the intended use either, but its a valid lfm...technically.

its hard to regulate spam, and general lfm's...i mean ddo doesn't have a global chat option so its the only way for eveyone to see what you're trying to say which is why guild recruiting and lf alter posts come up so much.

a party search type window for guild recruitment and trades would be a viable and easily implemented solution, as well as eliminate the need to go zone hoping trying to sell something you don't want to pay an arm for putting up in auction.

[Healemup]

...Crafting may need to be done ASAP...

Is there anything in the game that requires this? That you couldn't wait two days 18 hours for? Yes, its nice to be able to do that when you want, but its hardly a need. As long as I am not in a group already (or if that person is in my group ok), then I am glad to lend a hand. Typically, we don't have the alters up on our ship, but I might even be so nice as to put one up if I am in the right mood anyway.

[Bobthesponge]

1. Why is it such a issue for people to want to use someone else's boat? Crafting may need to be done ASAP, and they may be on timer for shroud. And not everyone has a high level guild. I actually find it more annoying that people think there boat is too holy for anyone but there own guild

The boat issue is because guilds are wary of freeloaders taking advantage of their hard work. The guild members have spent months building up their guild and bypassing loot for guild favor rewards. They don't see why other people should be able to pop in and use the amenities they worked so hard for. And there is no crafting in this entire game that can not wait 3 days for another shroud run. Anyone who insists that they need their shiny NOW is acting like a 5 year old and needs to grow up.

It is similar to loot arguments, really. It's their guild, so it's their rules.

2. If those trade lfm's bother you so much, don't look at them. Reporting for that is weak.

You are missing the point. It is spam and an abuse of the system. The official response is here.

This panel is used for looking for groups. There is a trade channel if you want to trade. I always report them when I see them and then send a tell to the poster to let them know.

3. You know what's the lamest lfm's? "Private" "Insert Random Guild Name Here" That is what guild chat is for. That should be the real reportable offense just because of the shear stupidity.

I can think of 2 reasons for that.

1) The guild has more than 6 (or 12) members online and are setting up a quest/raid run. The easiest way is to set up the LFM and post in guild chat to hit it.

2) It is a reform for a failed quest/reset the instance because someone went in on the wrong difficulty/reset the instance for someone who got "locked out". The first happens for Abbot all the time. The second is random. The third just happened to my party in ToD yesterday. Stuff happens. The easist way to reform is to put up an LFM and post in party chat that it is up before breaking.

Edit: Oh, a neg rep for this? Lawl

Meh. I get neg rep for disagreeing with people all the time. Not being inflammatory or nasty, but just not agreeing with a post. Rep means nothing here.

[Cyr]

Just report trade LFMs. They spam up the LFM screen.

[AZgreentea]

I think Tolero did a pretty good job of clarifying it about a year ago:

Indeed. Unless you're actually forming a party/raid for an activity, the LFM shouldn't be used for guild recruitment. i.e. if you're having an "audition" for new guildies by having them join your party and running a quest with them that's one thing, but just leaving an LFM up with a guild ad without actually grouping up/questing with folks isn't appropriate use of the LFM.

We do want to have more recruitment tools for guilds in the future, and the guild matchup forums (whether under specific server or in the open-ended forums), general chat, updating MyDDO guild page status to "recruiting," and submitting a guild ad to the Eberron Chronicle are appropriate guild recruitment methods in the meantime.

Or to sum it up, the LFM panel is only for making groups. Dosent matter what kind of groups, just groups. I think that means asking for a group to get access to a guild crafting station is actually ok.

[Kalari]

I can generally ignore lfm abuse unless its blatant like the one time some guy went cuckoo for cocoa puffs and was posting racist stuff just to get people riled up and anti military stuff. I dont like it but they do allow us to report such things if its enough to get your dander up.

To those who are saying that not sharing guild airship amenities such as altars is selfish I'll have to respectfully disagree or be a blatant wench and say I buy most of my guilds altar's of devastation since we are not at level to get it as a regular amenity yet. It is something I do for the members of my guild because I care about them and because together we worked for our ship. So if I decide that no I do not want to invite someone spamming general chat or making lfm's for my altar to craft I do not feel selfish. And I am so glad there are kinder folks out there who think we meanies with our big boats should just let anyone on to share in the things we worked for.

Ive never claimed to be a good person if this makes me even worst in your eyes I am doing my job

[Hendrik]

I can generally ignore lfm abuse unless its blatant like the one time some guy went cuckoo for cocoa puffs and was posting racist stuff just to get people riled up and anti military stuff. I dont like it but they do allow us to report such things if its enough to get your dander up.

To those who are saying that not sharing guild airship amenities such as altars is selfish I'll have to respectfully disagree or be a blatant wench and say I buy most of my guilds altar's of devastation since we are not at level to get it as a regular amenity yet. It is something I do for the members of my guild because I care about them and because together we worked for our ship. So if I decide that no I do not want to invite someone spamming general chat or making lfm's for my altar to craft I do not feel selfish. And I am so glad there are kinder folks out there who think we meanies with our big boats should just let anyone on to share in the things we worked for.

Ive never claimed to be a good person if this makes me even worst in your eyes I am doing my job

I look at it this way;

You open your home to everyone it will no longer be your home and all you will end up with is a messy floor.

[Kalari]

I look at it this way;

You open your home to everyone it will no longer be your home and all you will end up with is a messy floor.

So true plus you get a pesky reputation for being nice then get tells during raids to "come help me." seriously these people do not realize half the time that I am probably drunk and I am not as nice as I may come across at times lol just ask my guild mates

[stoopid_cowboy]

all you will end up with is a messy floor.

I blame Burne.


yuda

[LordPiglet]

I blame Burne.


yuda

Oh, so I wasn't the only drunk who got on the ship and did something "inappropriate".

****...

[Thrann]

The boat issue is because guilds are wary of freeloaders taking advantage of their hard work. The guild members have spent months building up their guild and bypassing loot for guild favor rewards. They don't see why other people should be able to pop in and use the amenities they worked so hard for. And there is no crafting in this entire game that can not wait 3 days for another shroud run. Anyone who insists that they need their shiny NOW is acting like a 5 year old and needs to grow up.

I dont see it like this.i look at it more that if i can help someone with crafting which will improve there toon why not help them.Its not that hard to hit there lfm and right click invite to boat..takes less then 1min..Try it sometime Helping a caster/healer get more spell points or having a dps with a full craft min 2 or l2 will do more for you in a group then looking at a lfm for a invite and laugh about it.Think about next time you fail a pug group cause they are under geared....last laugh going to be on you

[Uska]

I have warned people and have been told they dont care if its against the rules they say it only counts if they get caught maybe they should put a text search in and auto ban the morons.

[Uska]

1. Why is it such a issue for people to want to use someone else's boat? Crafting may need to be done ASAP, and they may be on timer for shroud. And not everyone has a high level guild. I actually find it more annoying that people think there boat is too holy for anyone but there own guild


2. If those trade lfm's bother you so much, don't look at them. Reporting for that is weak.


3. You know what's the lamest lfm's? "Private" "Insert Random Guild Name Here" That is what guild chat is for. That should be the real reportable offense just because of the shear stupidity.


Edit: Oh, a neg rep for this? Lawl

it clutters the lfm and is agaisnt the rules