Stop this BB madness

[Iphigen]

Shroud normal (and even hard) can easily be done without BBs and without having the
healers to use SP potions. (At least if ppl have decent builds and some gear.) The only
real reason i would really want to have a BB for is elite.

But who in their right mind would pay 1.5 mil for a +4 metalline Khopesh of pure good?
Compare that to the price of large scales (the only really rare thing you need for Min II).
It's an insane price for a good but not superuber item!

Don't be fooled! You don't need these items to farm for your min II on normal! No healer
has to use potions on normal runs if group members dont play as if they BBed their brain.
There is no reason to ask for BBs. Raid leaders stop supporting this madness!

I won't heal groups anymore that ask for BBs on normal runs.

Greetings Iphigen

[NaturalHazard]

1.5 for a +4 even? dang!!

[Alyiakal]

(At least if ppl have decent builds and some gear.)

This is Orien, and the above statement can't be assumed, since basically all the new players stop here first. I agree that not everyone needs to have DR breakers, but people should at least make an effort to deal more damage to Harry instead of waltzing in with their Starter Longsword and a +1 shield.

[hermespan]

This is Orien, and the above statement can't be assumed, since basically all the new players stop here first. I agree that not everyone needs to have DR breakers, but people should at least make an effort to deal more damage to Harry instead of waltzing in with their Starter Longsword and a +1 shield.

Before you do your next raid, read this http://ddowiki.com/page/What_should_...g_to_a_raid%3F.

It's one page, takes about 2 minutes to read. Once you are done, read it again. Use it as a checklist and do it all.

If you aren't prepared, get prepared, then raid. Otherwise, stay home. It takes a minimal amount of effort and expense to prepare for raiding. It's an affront to your fellow players if you don't come prepared. There's absolutely no excuse except one. That is you are checking the AH all the time for a BB and haven't found one for a reasonable price. Expect to pay 40-60k for a generic non-optimal BB. Better than nothing, get it.

[EvilDonald]

This is Orien, and the above statement can't be assumed, since basically all the new players stop here first.

hehe, I am brand new to the game and stopped here cause I kinda liked the server name. Not like i will be leaving either as the guild I have found is full of good people. So is that what happens? People sorta pick Orien and then leave later? Sorry for the thread hijack but I was just curious. I like Orien but I figure it must be a newish server maybe?

Forgive me, I really like this game and am not up with the goss on everything.

[Keybreaker]

I won't heal groups anymore that ask for BBs on normal runs.

Good. Fill your own groups. You obviously know the Shroud and the server well enough. Stop whining and fill your own BB-free normal Shrouds...

(BTW, there's no imperative reason to buy outrageously priced BB khops off AH. Get some maces or hammers, daggers even...)

[thegreatneil]

(At least if ppl have decent builds and some gear.)

About here is where your assumption goes wrong.

[Srozbun]

(At least if ppl have decent builds and some gear.)

Greetings Iphigen

Decent gear includes something that can do damage to the boss without a -15 on each swing.

[Kreaper]

BBs? Pffft, I go in with pellets if I am in a hurry and spitballs if I want a challenge. I rarely ever take BBs. I might shoot my eye out!

[Krelar]

Decent gear includes something that can do damage to the boss without a -15 on each swing.

Like the club of the holy flame from Delera's?

(Hint: look up the post "Caffeine's Club of the Holy Flame Shroud!" on Sarlona)

[Solmage]

Like the club of the holy flame from Delera's?

(Hint: look up the post "Caffeine's Club of the Holy Flame Shroud!" on Sarlona)

Yes, and I was there, and as much fun as we had, most (good) players don't enjoy 50+ minute shroud completions unless doing something particularly funky (like said run, which btw took 94). If one requests BBs, it's one's own !(#&ing prerogative to get like-minded players that only enjoy fast completions and can contribute instead of just do some glorified piking.

(for reference, I find 30+ minutes annoying but whatever, 20ish is ok, <20 kinda fun)

[yodino]

Go ahead Iphigen, your more than welcome to start making your own groups. You run your groups the way you want, and I'll run mine the way I want.

[Midgavia]

Madness?

[nix_vali]

[QUOTE=Iphigen;3544792]Shroud normal (and even hard) can easily be done without BBs and without having the
healers to use SP potions. (At least if ppl have decent builds and some gear.) The only
real reason i would really want to have a BB for is elite.

Good luck whit that!

[Vanshilar]

Ah I hope you know that when raid leaders are looking for boss beaters, they're not talking about requiring boss beaters for healers.

Boss beaters, being higher DPS, make the fight go faster and more importantly, before the healers run out of SP so that healers doesn't have to use pots. The longer the fight takes, the more SP is used up in keeping the melees alive, since the raid boss damage output is pretty consistent. For example, if the melees are only doing 80% of the damage they would otherwise be doing, then the fight will take 25% longer, basically meaning that 25% more SP is needed. So raid leaders prefer it naturally to make a run go quicker, but also partially as a service for the healers, so that the healers don't have to complain about having to quaff pots. But if you're so confident that the melees don't need boss beaters and you have enough SP to heal through however long it takes for them to kill the raid boss, feel free to put up an LFM saying no need for BBs and you can see how well you do. I'm sure many people will be grateful that you are willing to front the pots if they are lacking in gear.

I'm not sure why a healer would be complaining about raid leaders asking for boss beaters. If anything, a healer would be prioritizing such runs over other runs, because then at least there is some expected minimum competency for the melees. Not to mention, the raid leader is screening melee applicants for the healer's benefit.

Looking at the auction house, metalline + pure good melee weapons go for as low as 30k plat buyout right now. Yes there is one +4 metalline khopesh of pure good that's icy bursted that's going for 1.5 million plat, but last I checked, no raid leader is requiring icy bursted boss beaters. Methinks this is more complaining about how icy bursted boss beaters (not to mention, khopeshes) are overpriced on the auction house than requiring a boss beater for raids.

I won't heal groups anymore that ask for BBs on normal runs.

Just make sure you don't click on any LFMs that say that then. Or inform the group beforehand if you happen to join one.

[flynnjsw]

Shroud normal (and even hard) can easily be done without BBs and without having the
healers to use SP potions. (At least if ppl have decent builds and some gear.) The only
real reason i would really want to have a BB for is elite.

But who in their right mind would pay 1.5 mil for a +4 metalline Khopesh of pure good?
Compare that to the price of large scales (the only really rare thing you need for Min II).
It's an insane price for a good but not superuber item!

Don't be fooled! You don't need these items to farm for your min II on normal! No healer
has to use potions on normal runs if group members dont play as if they BBed their brain.
There is no reason to ask for BBs. Raid leaders stop supporting this madness!

I won't heal groups anymore that ask for BBs on normal runs.

Greetings Iphigen

You do realize that Portals can be cleared with BB right? Oh wait, you don't need BB except for Elite. Good luck with that. Let me know if you decide to migrate to Khyber so you can be added to "the list'.

[sweez]

But who in their right mind would pay 1.5 mil for a +4 metalline Khopesh of pure good?
Compare that to the price of large scales (the only really rare thing you need for Min II).
It's an insane price for a good but not superuber item!

Street price for LDS on Khyber is somewhere around 300ish k plat. You need 5 LDS for a Min2. That's 1.5 mil right there, without counting the cost of a GS blank and other Shroud mats.

And I'm quite sure that 1.5 mil isn't the street price for a MoPG weapon, not on any server, not even if it's a khopesh.

[samthedagger]

Hehe...

I have halfway through reading the thread before realizing that BB stood for "boss beater" and not "blade barrier." The OP kind of threw me off talking about SP potions and being a cleric. I was wondering half the thread "Why would anyone think you need blade barrier? Nice to have maybe. Orien has some strange ideas..."

[Niktoo]

Is this an Orien thing?

On Ghallanda you can buy a +5mpg handaxe or dagger for like 2k plat. Pugs running elite will sometimes ask you to link your DR breaker, but i havent seen a norm one do it.

All DPS should have one, they are very easy to get. Also heavy fort and a con +6 item.