Stop this BB madness

[Iphigen]

Shroud normal (and even hard) can easily be done without BBs and without having the
healers to use SP potions. (At least if ppl have decent builds and some gear.) The only
real reason i would really want to have a BB for is elite.

But who in their right mind would pay 1.5 mil for a +4 metalline Khopesh of pure good?
Compare that to the price of large scales (the only really rare thing you need for Min II).
It's an insane price for a good but not superuber item!

Don't be fooled! You don't need these items to farm for your min II on normal! No healer
has to use potions on normal runs if group members dont play as if they BBed their brain.
There is no reason to ask for BBs. Raid leaders stop supporting this madness!

I won't heal groups anymore that ask for BBs on normal runs.

Greetings Iphigen

[NaturalHazard]

1.5 for a +4 even? dang!!

[Alyiakal]

(At least if ppl have decent builds and some gear.)

This is Orien, and the above statement can't be assumed, since basically all the new players stop here first. I agree that not everyone needs to have DR breakers, but people should at least make an effort to deal more damage to Harry instead of waltzing in with their Starter Longsword and a +1 shield.

[Keybreaker]

I won't heal groups anymore that ask for BBs on normal runs.

Good. Fill your own groups. You obviously know the Shroud and the server well enough. Stop whining and fill your own BB-free normal Shrouds...

(BTW, there's no imperative reason to buy outrageously priced BB khops off AH. Get some maces or hammers, daggers even...)

[thegreatneil]

(At least if ppl have decent builds and some gear.)

About here is where your assumption goes wrong.

[Srozbun]

(At least if ppl have decent builds and some gear.)

Greetings Iphigen

Decent gear includes something that can do damage to the boss without a -15 on each swing.

[Kreaper]

BBs? Pffft, I go in with pellets if I am in a hurry and spitballs if I want a challenge. I rarely ever take BBs. I might shoot my eye out!

[Krelar]

Decent gear includes something that can do damage to the boss without a -15 on each swing.

Like the club of the holy flame from Delera's?

(Hint: look up the post "Caffeine's Club of the Holy Flame Shroud!" on Sarlona)

[nix_vali]

[QUOTE=Iphigen;3544792]Shroud normal (and even hard) can easily be done without BBs and without having the
healers to use SP potions. (At least if ppl have decent builds and some gear.) The only
real reason i would really want to have a BB for is elite.

Good luck whit that!

[Solmage]

Like the club of the holy flame from Delera's?

(Hint: look up the post "Caffeine's Club of the Holy Flame Shroud!" on Sarlona)

Yes, and I was there, and as much fun as we had, most (good) players don't enjoy 50+ minute shroud completions unless doing something particularly funky (like said run, which btw took 94). If one requests BBs, it's one's own !(#&ing prerogative to get like-minded players that only enjoy fast completions and can contribute instead of just do some glorified piking.

(for reference, I find 30+ minutes annoying but whatever, 20ish is ok, <20 kinda fun)

[yodino]

Go ahead Iphigen, your more than welcome to start making your own groups. You run your groups the way you want, and I'll run mine the way I want.

[Midgavia]

Madness?

[Lleren]

Feel free to start/lead enough Shroud Groups that the standard changes on your Server. You have the potential to make a change.

Me, I'll go on whichever runs are up when I have a character off timer. Mind you i'm on Cannith which changes things a wee bit.

[Razcar]

What's wrong with asking for some Blade Barriers?
...
What?

[mystafyi]

even a +1 dr breaker is fine for normal. im not sure why you want to waste 94 min running a quest that shouldnt take more then a half hour, just so melee can not have any decent equipment. Im not sure you realize this, but a kopesh specced melee can (GASP) actually equip and use non kopesh dr breakers for harry. Nobody said go spend 1 mil plat fer a weapon. use trash dr breakers till you make a gs min2.

[Hounder]

And I thought the person who opened this thread would be a melee class... xD

[Vanshilar]

Ah I hope you know that when raid leaders are looking for boss beaters, they're not talking about requiring boss beaters for healers.

Boss beaters, being higher DPS, make the fight go faster and more importantly, before the healers run out of SP so that healers doesn't have to use pots. The longer the fight takes, the more SP is used up in keeping the melees alive, since the raid boss damage output is pretty consistent. For example, if the melees are only doing 80% of the damage they would otherwise be doing, then the fight will take 25% longer, basically meaning that 25% more SP is needed. So raid leaders prefer it naturally to make a run go quicker, but also partially as a service for the healers, so that the healers don't have to complain about having to quaff pots. But if you're so confident that the melees don't need boss beaters and you have enough SP to heal through however long it takes for them to kill the raid boss, feel free to put up an LFM saying no need for BBs and you can see how well you do. I'm sure many people will be grateful that you are willing to front the pots if they are lacking in gear.

I'm not sure why a healer would be complaining about raid leaders asking for boss beaters. If anything, a healer would be prioritizing such runs over other runs, because then at least there is some expected minimum competency for the melees. Not to mention, the raid leader is screening melee applicants for the healer's benefit.

Looking at the auction house, metalline + pure good melee weapons go for as low as 30k plat buyout right now. Yes there is one +4 metalline khopesh of pure good that's icy bursted that's going for 1.5 million plat, but last I checked, no raid leader is requiring icy bursted boss beaters. Methinks this is more complaining about how icy bursted boss beaters (not to mention, khopeshes) are overpriced on the auction house than requiring a boss beater for raids.

I won't heal groups anymore that ask for BBs on normal runs.

Just make sure you don't click on any LFMs that say that then. Or inform the group beforehand if you happen to join one.

[EatSmart]

What's wrong with asking for some Blade Barriers?
...
What?

I remember spamming part 1 full of blade barriers one time "because the lfm said BB required". Fun times XD

[flynnjsw]

Shroud normal (and even hard) can easily be done without BBs and without having the
healers to use SP potions. (At least if ppl have decent builds and some gear.) The only
real reason i would really want to have a BB for is elite.

But who in their right mind would pay 1.5 mil for a +4 metalline Khopesh of pure good?
Compare that to the price of large scales (the only really rare thing you need for Min II).
It's an insane price for a good but not superuber item!

Don't be fooled! You don't need these items to farm for your min II on normal! No healer
has to use potions on normal runs if group members dont play as if they BBed their brain.
There is no reason to ask for BBs. Raid leaders stop supporting this madness!

I won't heal groups anymore that ask for BBs on normal runs.

Greetings Iphigen

You do realize that Portals can be cleared with BB right? Oh wait, you don't need BB except for Elite. Good luck with that. Let me know if you decide to migrate to Khyber so you can be added to "the list'.

[phillymiket]

even a +1 dr breaker is fine for normal. im not sure why you want to waste 94 min running a quest that shouldnt take more then a half hour, just so melee can not have any decent equipment. Im not sure you realize this, but a kopesh specced melee can (GASP) actually equip and use non kopesh dr breakers for harry. Nobody said go spend 1 mil plat fer a weapon. use trash dr breakers till you make a gs min2.

This ^^

I just pulled a +5 Metalline of pure good Khopesh (RR WF) I can use that on my rogues (UMD yea!).
I can't and won't buy one on the AH and have yet to find a non-RR one.

Up until this point I've just used other stuff.

Do the math for a Metalline of pure good longsword -vs- your non-dr breaking khopesh.
I think you'll do better with a metalline of pure good <something cheap>.
Don't bind said weapons.
Pass them down to all your melees for when they hit shroud and before they craft DR breakers.

(I did just find a Silver Holy DA of Greater Evil Outsider Bane - I can't wait until my dwarf if at shroud time.)