Why can't you read the LFM?

[Ilindith]

Note: I know not everyone does what I'm about to talk about, but it's ridiculous how often it happens. Don't feel targeted if you can read an LFM

So...today I decided to run some groups and this was the LFM.


So I get a request...I accept, and I quickly see these words "share plz"

Okay, usually I wouldn't really care that much, I can understand that in some places it would take more time to go grab the quest and that sharing would be quicker. Problem is...these are walk-up quests and the LFM said "know quests". So I kicked the guy and I quickly got a tell that goes like this...

"why you dismiss me for asking for a share so I dont have to find the right questgiver? -.- well welcome to my squelch"

So, obviously he did not know "know quest" as LFM said or he would have known he would have got the quest as he walked up to it.

I thought reading the LFM is the least someone can do before clicking a group on the list. I thought it was a simple thing to do but I guess I was wrong. So, why can't you read the LFM before joining a group? Why do you ask "what quest" when it's on the LFM. Why do you cry when you don't get buffs/heals when it's written "byoh/zerg". Why? WHY?

Please, learn to read the ****ing LFM.

[Phidius]

I'd ask for a PM with the name, but I'd probably spend the rest of my life reading through my Private Messages.

I never type "shr plz" into party chat until after I've zoned into the quest

[HallowedOne]

Considering how sometimes I unplugg my brain (and we all do sometimes), it might have come to that he didn't realize that a "walk up" is bestowed on the entrance.

A better action would be writing "it's a walkup..." . Then you'd either confirm that dismiss or he would reply "DOH!".

[TheDearLeader]

Considering how sometimes I unplugg my brain (and we all do sometimes), it might have come to that he didn't realize that a "walk up" is bestowed on the entrance.

A better action would be writing "it's a walkup..." . Then you'd either confirm that dismiss or he would reply "DOH!".

His angry /tell afterward seems to imply that its more than a simple "oops" moment.

Someone saw a quest in his level range, and clicked.

SHR PLZ, over Mic or in written word, should only be used in jest. Or for Relic of a Sovereign Past. >.<

[HallowedOne]

His angry /tell afterward seems to imply that its more than a simple "oops" moment.

Someone saw a quest in his level range, and clicked.

SHR PLZ, over Mic or in written word, should only be used in jest. Or for Relic of a Sovereign Past. >.<

If it was an "oops" moment, do you expect he would have his "doh!" moment after beeing dismissed so quickly?

The OP attitude is expected, as is the answer after the dismissal. I'm pointing out that our assumptions sometimes can be extreme - and considering that he formulated a coherent phrase, still beeing polite, I think your own assumption might not be so correct.

At any rate, just my 2 cents.

[PopeJual]

His angry /tell afterward seems to imply that its more than a simple "oops" moment.

Someone saw a quest in his level range, and clicked.

SHR PLZ, over Mic or in written word, should only be used in jest. Or for Relic of a Sovereign Past. >.<

I always make sure I'm either inside the quest or at least in a wilderness zone when I say shr plz.

[sainy_matthew]

Considering how sometimes I unplugg my brain (and we all do sometimes), it might have come to that he didn't realize that a "walk up" is bestowed on the entrance.

A better action would be writing "it's a walkup..." . Then you'd either confirm that dismiss or he would reply "DOH!".

Really? Walkup means the quest giver gives you the quest & then its straight in? I didn't know that & i bet a whole heap of people here didn't know that... So heres an answer to the OP's question. Stop being so fraking picky & stop writing your entire life history in the LFG page... In fact that goes for everyone. LFG is for people to group, I dont want to read through everyones list of specifications, of which 50% is just your personal bias & has nothing to do with the quest specifications. Except for in a raid or the pit, how is "know quest" really helpful? If i don't know the quest i just do as i'm told. Its pretty darn simple, especially if your playing a fighter, a barbarian, a mage, or a cleric. Heck any class that isn't the trap finding focused rogue can easily play follow the leader without knowing anything about the quest.

[Elaril]

Really? Walkup means the quest giver gives you the quest & then its straight in? I didn't know that & i bet a whole heap of people here didn't know that... So heres an answer to the OP's question. Stop being so fraking picky & stop writing your entire life history in the LFG page... In fact that goes for everyone. LFG is for people to group, I dont want to read through everyones list of specifications, of which 50% is just your personal bias & has nothing to do with the quest specifications. Except for in a raid or the pit, how is "know quest" really helpful? If i don't know the quest i just do as i'm told. Its pretty darn simple, especially if your playing a fighter, a barbarian, a mage, or a cleric. Heck any class that isn't the trap finding focused rogue can easily play follow the leader without knowing anything about the quest.

The extra text space is a spot to list further qualifications for the group that aren't available among the generic choices. It doesn't seem the op was being picky at all, merely listing his desired qualifications for his group members. Not trying to be insulting here, but if someone couldn't glean the meaning of a walkup quest from their prior experience in gianthold, then that person did not fit the requirements of the lfm.

[QuantumFX]

Really? Walkup means the quest giver gives you the quest & then its straight in? I didn't know that & i bet a whole heap of people here didn't know that... So heres an answer to the OP's question. Stop being so fraking picky & stop writing your entire life history in the LFG page... In fact that goes for everyone. LFG is for people to group, I dont want to read through everyones list of specifications, of which 50% is just your personal bias & has nothing to do with the quest specifications. Except for in a raid or the pit, how is "know quest" really helpful? If i don't know the quest i just do as i'm told. Its pretty darn simple, especially if your playing a fighter, a barbarian, a mage, or a cleric. Heck any class that isn't the trap finding focused rogue can easily play follow the leader without knowing anything about the quest.

So. On top of *not* reading LFMs, you don’t read posts before replying to them.

[Quikster]

Really? Walkup means the quest giver gives you the quest & then its straight in? I didn't know that & i bet a whole heap of people here didn't know that... So heres an answer to the OP's question. Stop being so fraking picky & stop writing your entire life history in the LFG page... In fact that goes for everyone. LFG is for people to group, I dont want to read through everyones list of specifications, of which 50% is just your personal bias & has nothing to do with the quest specifications. Except for in a raid or the pit, how is "know quest" really helpful? If i don't know the quest i just do as i'm told. Its pretty darn simple, especially if your playing a fighter, a barbarian, a mage, or a cleric. Heck any class that isn't the trap finding focused rogue can easily play follow the leader without knowing anything about the quest.

No walkup means you walk up to the quest, and its automatically bestowed. This is a good place to ask those questions, not my zerg groups.

You dont want to read through my list of qualifications for the group, I dont want to hold your stinking hand, and shr pls while im getting my zerg on. Sounds like you know exactly how some of us feel. Now stop hitting our lfm's and go hit someones who doesnt actually take the time to type out what kinda group its going to be.

[Solmage]

Really? Walkup means the quest giver gives you the quest & then its straight in? I didn't know that & i bet a whole heap of people here didn't know that... So heres an answer to the OP's question. Stop being so fraking picky & stop writing your entire life history in the LFG page... In fact that goes for everyone. LFG is for people to group, I dont want to read through everyones list of specifications, of which 50% is just your personal bias & has nothing to do with the quest specifications. Except for in a raid or the pit, how is "know quest" really helpful? If i don't know the quest i just do as i'm told. Its pretty darn simple, especially if your playing a fighter, a barbarian, a mage, or a cleric. Heck any class that isn't the trap finding focused rogue can easily play follow the leader without knowing anything about the quest.

Simple: If you can't even do as you're told in an LFM by not joining it, how exactly do you expect people to trust you to do as you're told inside the quest.

Newsflash: people do not play to entertain you, they play to have fun themselves. Some people aren't always in the mood to hand hold, and they only want other people who know a given quest inside out.

Sure, try folllow the leader.. and cost us 10% exp, and extra completion time, that's something opinionated noobs excel at: "Where is the quest" "How do I get there" "(ding) Omg, those things hit hard!" "I am lost!" "hjeel me!" etc etc.

On the positive side, this is an excellent way to get blacklisted, so click the LFMs away and spare us your presence in raids.

[dulgar]

Really? Walkup means the quest giver gives you the quest & then its straight in? I didn't know that & i bet a whole heap of people here didn't know that... So heres an answer to the OP's question. Stop being so fraking picky & stop writing your entire life history in the LFG page... In fact that goes for everyone. LFG is for people to group, I dont want to read through everyones list of specifications, of which 50% is just your personal bias & has nothing to do with the quest specifications. Except for in a raid or the pit, how is "know quest" really helpful? If i don't know the quest i just do as i'm told. Its pretty darn simple, especially if your playing a fighter, a barbarian, a mage, or a cleric. Heck any class that isn't the trap finding focused rogue can easily play follow the leader without knowing anything about the quest.

Now I don't post much, but WOW! I do believe you picked the wrong post to chime in on. But hey, +1 for making me laugh at work!

[PopeJual]

Really? Walkup means the quest giver gives you the quest & then its straight in? I didn't know that & i bet a whole heap of people here didn't know that... So heres an answer to the OP's question. Stop being so fraking picky & stop writing your entire life history in the LFG page... In fact that goes for everyone. LFG is for people to group, I dont want to read through everyones list of specifications, of which 50% is just your personal bias & has nothing to do with the quest specifications. Except for in a raid or the pit, how is "know quest" really helpful? If i don't know the quest i just do as i'm told. Its pretty darn simple, especially if your playing a fighter, a barbarian, a mage, or a cleric. Heck any class that isn't the trap finding focused rogue can easily play follow the leader without knowing anything about the quest.

In Gianthold, you need to talk to the questgiver to pick up the Madstone Crater, Prison of the Planes and Crucible quests. The other quests in Gianthold don't have a questgiver at all. You just walk up to them and the quest is magically bestowed.

If the OP had an LFM with only Rangers, Monks and Rogues lit and you were a Favored Soul, would you hit the LFM? You don't qualify for the LFM's specs, so I hope that you would at least not get annoyed by a decline when you apply for it. If you really want to join that group (for whatever reason) then just send the group's leader a /tell and ask if he or she will make an exception. The fact that you sent a /tell instead of just hitting the LFM when you don't qualify increases your chances of being accepted by about a billion percent.

If you don't know the quest, then you don't qualify for this LFM. How is that hard to understand? If you don't know your way to the quest and you don't know what to do in the quest, you can still be a help to a party that is moving at a reasonable pace if you're willing to listen and follow directions. You will *not* be an asset to a party that is sprinting through a quest so fast that you'll be locked out of most rooms if you stop paying attention for 2 seconds at the wrong time. I'm thinking of Maze of Madness in particular, here.

If you don't know the quest, but you *are* willing and able to follow directions, just send the group leader a /tell saying, "I don't know the quest, but I'm not completely squishy and I can follow directions. Mind if I tag along?" I bet you'll be surprised at how many people are willing to take you with them with that kind of /tell.

If you don't know the quest and the LFM says "know the quest" and you ask for "shr plz" as your first statement on joining the party, I'd boot your behind out of the party so fast it would make your head spin. Sometimes I like to teach. Sometimes I like to sprint. Why should you get to decide that I don't really want to sprint when I put that in the LFM?

[phillymiket]

Nothing will save you from...

Really? Walkup means the quest giver gives you the quest & then its straight in? I didn't know that & i bet a whole heap of people here didn't know that... So heres an answer to the OP's question. Stop being so fraking picky & stop writing your entire life history in the LFG page... In fact that goes for everyone. LFG is for people to group, I dont want to read through everyones list of specifications, of which 50% is just your personal bias & has nothing to do with the quest specifications. Except for in a raid or the pit, how is "know quest" really helpful? If i don't know the quest i just do as i'm told. Its pretty darn simple, especially if your playing a fighter, a barbarian, a mage, or a cleric. Heck any class that isn't the trap finding focused rogue can easily play follow the leader without knowing anything about the quest.

Maybe if you read an LFM once in a while you would know what "walk-up" means.
You do as your told with the small exception of the first instructions given in the LFM?
Somehow if you view "zerg" and "byoh" as a personal bias then I just don't trust that follow the leader is your MO.

Yes - read the LFMs.

Some people will not, however.

They will just join a "know it" and not say anything.
I joined a "know it" shroud the other day with 2 or 3 arcanes.
Leader says "Everyone knows what to do right?".
Silence.
Leader says "Someone get the crystal"
Silence.
Mobs are killed and no crystal is shattered. Mobs return.
None of the arcanes as it turns out knew what to do and didn't say anything.
(In fact, it took many tries to even get all the mobs down because many of the melee didn't know they had to be prepared, separated and brought down at the same time)

Seeing as there is no way to keep someone who doesn't know the quest from joining it seems a time saver to just ask if anyone is new and explain real fast rather than try to keep out that which won't not join. (you'll get the newbs not to join but not the noobs)

Pug XP zergs are a challenge to form because you really don't want to spend the time to explain.
But I guess that is a factor of trying to find a select group of knowledge and skills out of a Pug.

It seems that the only recourse is to just drop the "can't/won't listen, follow and keep up" crowd after the first run until you have a good group if you are trying to form efficient pick-up group zerg.

[Chai]

Really? Walkup means the quest giver gives you the quest & then its straight in? I didn't know that & i bet a whole heap of people here didn't know that... So heres an answer to the OP's question. Stop being so fraking picky & stop writing your entire life history in the LFG page... In fact that goes for everyone. LFG is for people to group, I dont want to read through everyones list of specifications, of which 50% is just your personal bias & has nothing to do with the quest specifications. Except for in a raid or the pit, how is "know quest" really helpful? If i don't know the quest i just do as i'm told. Its pretty darn simple, especially if your playing a fighter, a barbarian, a mage, or a cleric. Heck any class that isn't the trap finding focused rogue can easily play follow the leader without knowing anything about the quest.

Woah stop the train. 50% of which is personal bias? If its only 50% then I failed.

When I put up an LFM, 100% of what I am asking for is personally biased to how I want the group to run. This is how selective grouping works. When selective grouping fails is when we see these wonderful little threads pop up on the forums moaning about how zergers suck, sitting right next to the other thread moaning about how the LFM clearly had zerg BYOH in it. Random PUG runs walk ups, hilarity ensues. Film at 11.

Selective grouping for the win.

If I want to zerg plow quests and can select 5 other people who want to do the same to join my group - WIN.
If I want to use stealth and tactics, and can find 5 other people who have the patience to do this - WIN.

If I want to zerg plow quests, and throw up an LFM and basically accept the first 5 people who hit me up to join, this will likely result in a three people wanting to stick together, two people wanting to zerg, and one person who cant find the quest and doesnt know what "walk up" means. FAIL.

I am starting to learn that whenever I bring this lack of communication and lack of selective grouping up, hilarity ensues because alot of players think this is some kind of personal attack, when I or others are basically saying "this is what we want our group to be like. Do you fit that description? Yes or No." Theres nothing personal about it. If you dont want to zerg plow the quest, when its clearly marked as such, dont hit up the LFM.

[Vindicatus]

sainy_matthew, you exhibit a type of personality and mentality with which I wish to disassociate myself while playing DDO. If you game on Sarlona, please be so kind as to list your characters so that I can blacklist them now to prevent possible future annoyance.

[TheDearLeader]

I didn't read this; it was too long.

SHR PLZ?! XD

Really though. This is annoying. There are helpful players, who are willing to give first-timers a go through these. Then, there are players who do not. We all have our individual playstyle, and the best way to interact with each other it to respect these.

Sometimes? I'm cool with some new PUGs. I actually got complimented in a /tell the other day. I was running a PUG ToD, and there was at least one new guy (maybe another who didn't admit it?), and a third party, not in EW but in the Raid, who has done it before, thanked me for explaining it so nicely and patiently to the nub(s). It was a smooth run, and really only took maybe an extra 3 minutes. I can afford to waste 180 seconds here or there, or I wouldn't be on the forums making this post. *Caveat : Alcohol may have had something to do with my patience that particular night.

Sometimes though, I'm like Does/DDoS, and I just want to get this done, whatever *this* may be, and move on with my day. My LFMs will be tailored to express my particular outlook on any given day. Read these LFMs, or expect your willful ignorance to be your undoing.

[Ilindith]

Sometimes though, I'm like Does/DDoS, and I just want to get this done, whatever *this* may be, and move on with my day. My LFMs will be tailored to express my particular outlook on any given day. Read these LFMs, or expect your willful ignorance to be your undoing.

Exactly my point, read the LFM to know what's going on, mine this time was zerg/byoh and it was clearly written. I do not always makes groups like this and I'm usually glad to help new players to learn. But when I make a zerg group, I expect zerglings to join.

[DelScorcho]

People read "BYOH, Zerg, IP" as "don't bring pots, scrolls, or any actual awareness of where the mission is located". I've gotten a new found respect for duoing missions with the cleric hireling.

[MrWizard]

wow...read the LFM..where have I heard that before?

remember, read the lfm does not apply if you are 20 and believe you should be in the group, no exceptions...