Epic fascinate dc

[Innara]

I want a realistic estimate of how high my buffed perfom skill should be for epics (at least for ev6 - that's my primary interest). I hear all kinds or numbers and vague responses to this when I ask any bards in game, so I'm not really certain what to believe.

So anyone? Any insight would be nice so I know what to work on.

[Gadget2775]

More or less a free bump cause I'm currious. I do know 40+ is what folks are looking for on Casters for Mass Hold, and I think low 40's is expected for Monk stuns. Can't immagine Fascinate would require much more...

[thegreatneil]

Well look at it like this:

-23 ranks
-4gh
-15 item

Thats 42. (with a cha of just 10)

I think (not 1000% sure) a 1d20 is added each cast (the numbers seems to change every time i highlight fascinate)

If thats the case, that makes it 42-62?

[phalaeo]

Not sure what my exact Perform is, but I've seen the hover-over DC as high as 75,

[dior10276]

I was told by guild that you need over a 50 to be successful. Mid 50's to lower 60's is more than required, again information is from guildies.

Hope this helps, and maybe someone that has a bard can offer a more exact number.

[Lord_WC]

for ev6 55 is the bare minimum for no fail fascinate (well, except the nat20s). Its easily possible even on a melee specced warchanter:

23 base
15 item (if you don't get a ring, get a bard's cloak from vod, noone wants it and it drops pretty often)
5 exeptional (I did it on my concordant opposition gs)
3 charisma bracket (10+6 cha is not really demanding on stat points if you went melee, moreover bard's cloak conveniently has a +6 cha as well)
4 gh
1 focusing chant
2 hogf
2 from ap (its only 2 ap, worths it)

[Valindria]

Well look at it like this:

-23 ranks
-4gh
-15 item

That's 42. (with a cha of just 10)

I think (not 1000% sure) a 1d20 is added each cast (the numbers seems to change every time i highlight fascinate)

If that's the case, that makes it 42-62?

Yes it's 1d20 + perform.

The very least should be able to get ~50 or you have done something wrong:

Breakdown:
23 - ranks
4 - GH (spell)
1 - Focus Chant (Spell)
15 - Item
3 - +6 CHA Item
2 - Gylands Blade (really you can get them on the AH cheap so just use when need to)
1 - Voice of the Master
1-4 - 10-16 cha Base + bard cha II
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50 easily acquired



Others:
+3 - +1/+2 Exceptional Skills GS
+3 - +3 Exceptional Skills GS/DT
+2 - Head of Good Fortune or other +2 luck Item
+1 - +2 Tome or +1 tome and +1 CHA guild buff
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58 with a little work/luck

My well geared Virtuoso has ~66 perform. My non GS geared Horc WC has ~55. I have done Epic Von 6 on both toons.

Just get it as high as you can and let the groups know if any mobs save.

[bartosy]

around 55 like others said sometimes i tend to forget to equip my bard cloak and trust you do feel a lot more saves then with.. so i would say at least 50 or so would do the job.

[Fetchi]

Fortunately Innara, you're a master bard so you won't have trouble fascinating.

Unfortunately, your biggest problem is going to be with people breaking your fascinate.

[Emili]

I run with a standing base of 65 on my SS (before buffing) seems to land with no issues. Virtuoso's can get higher and chanters generally lower...

[TheDearLeader]

You know less than 24 hours ago, there was a thread asking about the necessary Perform skills?

I say 60+ on the character sheet = More than fine.

Its a Will Save. Mass Hold Monster, another Will save, at DC 40, will have about 90% Success rate on non-divine caster mobs, but will have difficulty hitting Divine caster mobs. Therefore, what do we do to up that DC?

Well, these divine caster fail, albeit occasionally, at 40. meaning that either they roll a lot of 1s, or they fail somewhere on a 2-5, or something in that area. Well, we want them to fail on all rolls of 19 and below, right?

So, we bump the "Save DC" up another 20 points, to 60, thereby ensuring that the Will Save is high enough to sufficiently "lock down" all mobs.

60 Perform is not horribly difficult to get. Most Warchanter Multiclasses manage 55 without breaking a sweat.

Also, since we're talking about EV6 in here. Remember you have a 6th level Spell, Otto's Irresistable Dance. Fascinate. If 1/4 mobs save, hit them with the single-target dance while Fascinate is on cooldown. Then, after all mobs are rendered inert, Fascinate again to seal the deal. At level 20, you should have around 22-24 songs minimum, you will have plenty enough to Fascinate each base twice.

[sirgog]

My medium-Charisma Warchanter sometimes forgets to equip their +6 Cha/+15 Perform cloak (thus losing 18 Perform) and really, it doesn't seem to matter.

IIRC Migrane has (assuming the Bard's Cloak is unequipped) a Perform skill in the 40 range (or 58 or so with the Cloak on). Almost nothing saves either way.

[quityourjobs]

I think the Evon6 mobs either roll a lot of 20's, or the perform needed is higher than 55. See a lot more failures than I'd like these days.

[TheDearLeader]

I think the Evon6 mobs either roll a lot of 20's, or the perform needed is higher than 55. See a lot more failures than I'd like these days.

Remember you have a 6th level Spell, Otto's Irresistable Dance. Fascinate. If 1/4 mobs save, hit them with the single-target dance while Fascinate is on cooldown. Then, after all mobs are rendered inert, Fascinate again to seal the deal. At level 20, you should have around 22-24 songs minimum, you will have plenty enough to Fascinate each base twice.

Solution for an abundance of high-rolling mobs? No-save spells.

[Innara]

Thanks a lot for the responses, they really help I know now I'm heading the right way with my bard and hopefully shouldn't have much to worry about.

[Veileira]

Not sure what my exact Perform is, but I've seen the hover-over DC as high as 75,

With your perform item on and gear and buffs, go to your character sheet. The perform skill total listed there + 1d20 is what you end up with.

Or you can calculate it out.