Double or Triple Ranged DPS

[krud]

If anything all it shows is that everything concerning ranged combat, except slaying arrows, needs to be seriously BUFFED. Leave slaying arrows alone and buff up everything else. That would take care it.

[Dandonk]

No.

Fix ranged's missing shots. Fix the aggro from ranged attacks.

But don't randomly change basic mechanics just because someone plays PvP (which is a silly concept in a D&D based game) and thinks only of PvP, with no regard for PvE (which is the core of this game).

[KreepyKritter]

Y'know what, H4x is right... I mean, lets just go ahead and nerf slayer arrows and stat damage, throw out vorpal weapons, while we're at it we'll throw out paralyzers and nerf the Hold and Flesh to Stone spells, get rid of finger of death. And since we're doing all this, we'll also nerf Power Attack, shorten the duration of Rage, may as well get rid of Haste as well, and... y'know what, no more armor either. Everyone will just have to wear robes and outfits from now on, no matter their level or Dex bonus.

Wait... what?

Oh! You mean this isn't a thread meant for sarcastically making requests that would absolutely ruin the game?

My bad. Mock on.

[Daggaz]

Hi guys. I have 2 very well DPS oriented built ranger friends.

Like.. one is a 12ftr,6ranger,2monk elf AA with 53str + some ranged alacrity ToD set.

The other is a 18ftr,1bard,1barb elf AA + Black Dragonscale Armor.

Anyway, I told them both to Manyshot me at the same time with no stat damage/slayer arrows/lightning strike, right?

They did and they both used Force Burst and I didn't even come close to dying!!! It was so easy!

That said, Slayer Arrows are OP. Why not double or triple ranged DPS but nerf stat damage and Slayer Arrows?

As far as I know it's only there to instakill properly built, high-HP toons in PvP.

Also, it's giving a free pass to all those silly capped rangers who proc 0s on me. That ain't right!

Currently I have a Docent of Defiance and Bramble-Casters, which do not stack, but do well enough.

I have 2 healing spells and you know what? If they can have Pale Lavender Ioun Stones they don't need Slayer Arrows!

So make your choice devs. Fix ranged DPS in PvE and PvP or there might forever be bickering on the subject.

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Also, to get back on topic, what is the point of consistently posting threads which, infalliably, attempt to force PvP views on the game as a whole? You know they will be shot down, and you know exactly why, so it is obviously not because you are trying to get the overall opinion of other players, or even garner support. Is it just to troll, or simply posting because you can, or have you truly not understood the difference between PvP and DDO? Enlighten me, please.

[LordPiglet]

Anything that kills H4x is overpowered. Hasn't H4x taught you that by now?

fix it for you

hmmm, maybe someone should jump into the pit with a Vac II bow.

I'd so do this if I had the spare larges.

[Ironforge_Clan]

oxy moron?

ummm... sure Mr Sorcerer hit me for all you got just no insta kills and you can't use max or empow.
just seems kinda silly that when you take away all their good options then complain that their damage sucks.

I'm just surprised at the 2 friends comment.

[Aethene]

Let me see if I'm understanding what you are saying....

Archers are using an enhancement and it's killing you, and you are upset and want the game changed so that archers don't kill you in PvP? Furthermore you want to kill them, and as a caster, you presumably use maximize and empower?
Here is an idea... get a second computer and a free to play account, then log that account in, put him in a PvP pit and kill him without worrying about dying.

I was not aware that the game revolved around you.


/ not signed

[flynnjsw]

Tho' he keeps searching for an answer
He never seems to find what he's looking for.
Oh Lord, he prays to give him strength to carry on
'cos he knows what it means to walk along the lonely street of dreams.

Here he goes again on his own....

I really don't know whether Whitesnake lyrics showing the /fail of the OP is /fail or/win. The jury is out on that one.

[Thornton]

Yet another thread that could have been avoided by the removal of PvP from the game.

[unionyes]

What is this 'PvP' you speak of? Is it one of he new quests from the last mod?

And, if we are using lyrics today.........

I walk these streets
A loaded longbow in my hands
I play for keeps
Cuz I might not make it back
I've been every where
And I'm still standing tall
I've seen a million PVP pits
And I've rocked them all.

Cuz I'm a ranger
On manyshot I rely
And I'm wanted
Nerfed or Alive.

[samthedagger]

Hi guys. I have 2 very well DPS oriented built ranger friends.

Like.. one is a 12ftr,6ranger,2monk elf AA with 53str + some ranged alacrity ToD set.

The other is a 18ftr,1bard,1barb elf AA + Black Dragonscale Armor.

Anyway, I told them both to Manyshot me at the same time with no stat damage/slayer arrows/lightning strike, right?

They did and they both used Force Burst and I didn't even come close to dying!!! It was so easy!

That said, Slayer Arrows are OP. Why not double or triple ranged DPS but nerf stat damage and Slayer Arrows?

As far as I know it's only there to instakill properly built, high-HP toons in PvP.

Also, it's giving a free pass to all those silly capped rangers who proc 0s on me. That ain't right!

Currently I have a Docent of Defiance and Bramble-Casters, which do not stack, but do well enough.

I have 2 healing spells and you know what? If they can have Pale Lavender Ioun Stones they don't need Slayer Arrows!

So make your choice devs. Fix ranged DPS in PvE and PvP or there might forever be bickering on the subject.

[KreepyKritter]

Really... did this thread really need a new rendition of a bad Bon Jovi song?

[Cam_Neely]

Really... did this thread really need a new rendition of a bad Bon Jovi song?

yes,
yes it did

[unionyes]

Really... did this thread really need a new rendition of a bad Bon Jovi song?

But the movie Young Guns was good, back in the day.

[Fishcatch22]

[Shaamis]

Devs can you please just give h4x a button to just "win" pvp?
He obviously needs it because everything that kills him is overpowered.

This is just a behavior he has learned to work in his past: When his own abilty/reflexes/skill fails him, to come at a different "angle" in order to level the playing field in his favor.

This is part of a larger problem in society, when someone gets lazy, or unable to rise to the level of achievement they feel entitled to, they have to try by any means necessary to get to that level, whether its by lying, cheating, stealing, altering the rules, or **GASP** working harder for it (VERY RARE)

Me, I don't give a ^&*(, call me what you want in game, i log out every night and go to bed with my wife, so I can go to work the next morning.

[lazylaz]

I had to check the date on this thread to make sure it wsn't something necro'ed.

H4x, are you trying to get the devs to differentiate between what AA can do in pvp vs what they can do in pve? Same abilities with different outcomes depending on circumstances?

And while I'm surprised you actually know two people who have AA characters well enough to call them friends I'm glad you have a theme song now.

[unionyes]

This is just a behavior he has learned to work in his past: When his own abilty/reflexes/skill fails him, to come at a different "angle" in order to level the playing field in his favor.

This is part of a larger problem in society, when someone gets lazy, or unable to rise to the level of achievement they feel entitled to, they have to try by any means necessary to get to that level, whether its by lying, cheating, stealing, altering the rules, or **GASP** working harder for it (VERY RARE)

Me, I don't give a ^&*(, call me what you want in game, i log out every night and go to bed with my wife, so I can go to work the next morning.

I agree. Someone, somewhere, has rewarded this behavior in the past, so we are seeing it in the present.

It's commendable to try to better yourself. It's horrible to try to do so by changing the rules to give yourself an advantage. Figure out what the rules are, work within them, and succeed. Or don't.

I suck at PvP. I accidentally wandered in there back in 2007 when I started playing, not knowing what it was, and got creamed. I went back once, in 2009, to see what I might be missing and it was pretty meh.

But, if it would help the current situation, I would commit to letting my 6 year old take my bard into the PvP pit once a week so 'someone' could kill him a few times so they could feel better about the world. Heck, my kid would love it. He mostly just runs around in the harbor anyhow, drowning or accidentally running into Durks and breaking my stuff on the oozes, so PvP would be right up his alley. I wouldn't even post a screenshot if he happened to win

[Chai]

So make your choice devs. Fix ranged DPS in PvE and PvP or there might forever be bickering on the subject.

The only way there would forever be bickering on this subject is if ranged was changed to pass up melee in DPS. Let me know if this is going to happen in advance please, because I will have to stock the shop with extra pitch forks, kerosene, and fire up the popcorn maker.

[eonfreon]

The only way there would forever be bickering on this subject is if ranged was changed to pass up melee in DPS. Let me know if this is going to happen in advance please, because I will have to stock the shop with extra pitch forks, kerosene, and fire up the popcorn maker.

Not necessarily. It would just mean that (most) everyone would switch to Ranged characters (after all the uproar died down) and kite Mobs all over the place while taking far less damage than one would who's doing toe-to-toe melee.
I believe this is what happened in Beta, which is why Ranged combat was weakened so much.
The Devs are not likely to go this route without requiring a major amount of "dedication" in Feat and gear to make Ranged that powerful.