Titan Raid Preraid Thing

[h4x0r1f1c]

If you do the preraid and get to the raid I don't think you should have to redo the preraid to get into the raid if you hadn't finished the raid. At least DQ works like this. Please change this because piking in sub teleporting people is annoying but not as annoying as the stuff I heard them doing in the preraid over mic sounded.

Anyway, if you don't like that idea, what about making more room for error in the actual raid? Or not, it's w/e I'd just like it to be a bit easier knaw mean?

[Mr_Tank]

Vons5 is a preraid that goes right into a raid. Should they get rid of it? As for the proting from the sub make em run to the raid.

[Saaluta]

ROFL, it takes 15-20 minutes for 2 people to clear the titan preraid...don't dumb down our game anymore. When titan first came out, it took 12 people hours to do, so:
/not signed

Saal

[PopeJual]

If you do the preraid and get to the raid I don't think you should have to redo the preraid to get into the raid if you hadn't finished the raid. At least DQ works like this. Please change this because piking in sub teleporting people is annoying but not as annoying as the stuff I heard them doing in the preraid over mic sounded.

Anyway, if you don't like that idea, what about making more room for error in the actual raid? Or not, it's w/e I'd just like it to be a bit easier knaw mean?

People fail the Titan raid?

[Calebro]

If you do the preraid and get to the raid I don't think you should have to redo the preraid to get into the raid if you hadn't finished the raid. At least DQ works like this. Please change this because piking in sub teleporting people is annoying but not as annoying as the stuff I heard them doing in the preraid over mic sounded.

Anyway, if you don't like that idea, what about making more room for error in the actual raid? Or not, it's w/e I'd just like it to be a bit easier knaw mean?

Wait.... so now piking in the Sub needs to be nerfed?
That's all you were doing, by your own admission, and you're STILL asking for it to be easier?

As to the raid, there is plenty of room for error. Two misses is all you need.
If you miss once, you need to be more patient, just in case.
If you miss a second time, you need to NEVER drop a pillar unless you're 100% certain that you'll hit.

Furthermore, you have absolutely no clue what they were doing.
You said "the stuff I heard them doing in the preraid over mic" so you have absolutely no idea what was going on.
You cannot possibly think that you have even the slightest basis to call for the nerf of a quest that you are clueless about.

[h4x0r1f1c]

People fail the Titan raid?

I don't know I did my first one today and they missed on some pillar things but they got it on the last one and I was the only one to get a named item, on Elite. I got those boot things but I had Firestorm Greaves so I put it up for roll.

[ZeroTakenaka]

I don't know I did my first one today and they missed on some pillar things but they got it on the last one and I was the only one to get a named item, on Elite. I got those boot things but I had Firestorm Greaves so I put it up for roll.

The titan has to be dropped with the pillars AND hit with the lasers 6 times after the shields come up to shut down the shield. Just so you know.

[waterboytkd]

This is a game. Which means the only reason I play it is because it's fun. That said, there are a couple raids that I avoid: Titan, Von, and Abbot. Why? Because they're not that fun, with Abbot being the least offensive. Titan and Von I dodge because the preraid is soooo boring. Even if it's 15-20 min for experienced people. I'd still much rather be doing something else. Abbot I dodge because I hate spending forever in asteroids, after completing it, to have the people doing tiles screw up and having to recall out and reset. It's just not fun sitting around doing nothing.

Therefore, I like the idea of, once the preraid and raid have been completed once, when you talk to the quest giver, you can choose to repeat just the raid. I'd actually spend time on those raids if that were the case. But it's not, so I don't run them very often.

A quest that challenges only your patience isn't actually challenging. I guess what it does do is separate certain kinds of players, but that seems kind of the opposite effect you want in an MMO. Don't you want people playing together in MMOs?

[JDCrowell]

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Even though I've ran this thing 16 times and still only somewhat know what is going on.
Every group I join already has it mostly done when I enter. I tried to lead my guild through it and it took us hours and that was some of the most aggravating fun we've had in a while.

People fail the Titan raid?

Yes, it does happen. It's probably why on Ghallanda the players who most often host this raid have it 90% complete before throwing up an LFM.

[azrael4h]

People fail the Titan raid?

People run the Titan raid?

[Engar1]

I run it. I just do it with 6 or fewer. It is a grind to clear/solve Twilight and the same yahoo you invite after doing it all, who has no time invested, screws up Titan. I sometimes just 3-4 man it all. What do I care if a piker cannot join for loot?

Eh, just change Twilight and VoN5 (VoN5 is still popular because it leads to epics) to work like ADQ1 or continue to have developers' hard work ignored by the vast majority. Or leave it and I can brag about how fast I can solo green to the three other people on the server who know what that means.

[h4x0r1f1c]

Dear mods:

I got 2 negative reps for this suggestion, please remove them. They're not anything like this..

"Disapprove (e.g. Inflammatory, Derogatory, Disruptive, Trolling, or violates community guidelines)"

[MalakRevan]

Dear mods:

I got 2 negative reps for this suggestion, please remove them. They're not anything like this..

"Disapprove (e.g. Inflammatory, Derogatory, Disruptive, Trolling, or violates community guidelines)"

H4x, stop requesting that mechanics that don't need to be changed be changed. It is just people showing you that they disapprove of what you are saying.

[Cyr]

I agree that requiring completion of the pre-raid prior to the raid is not really needed.

There is a reason why Turbine moved away from this kind of pre-raid/raid implementation a while ago. In fact, I am of the opinion that a character four levels above the level or a pre-raid should be able to skip it.

At level twillight forge and von 5 are kind of fun...at cap they are just a time sink.

[Chai]

/not signed.

We still have to redo VON and DQ pre-raids. Why is Titan any different?

The fact that 80% or more of all players cant even find their way to the entrances to these things isnt Turbines issue. They dont need to change a thing on this.

Do the work, reap the reward.

Or dont.

The minute this gets redone so that no one has to run a pre raid, everyone will be doing VON 5, DQ, and Titan every three days, investing 40 minutes of time to complete all 3. Heck with a coupla two boxers, the majority of everyone in the same guild can already do this.

[Calebro]

Dear mods:

I got 2 negative reps for this suggestion, please remove them. They're not anything like this..

"Disapprove (e.g. Inflammatory, Derogatory, Disruptive, Trolling, or violates community guidelines)"

I didn't neg you, but I ABSOLUTELY consider it trolling.
You're asking for changes on something that you don't even understand.
You're asking to not have to do it because it "sounded" like it would have been annoying.
This is, in my opinion, one of your most ridiculous "suggestions" to date.

The people that agree with your idea at least understand what it is that they'll be skipping next time.
If you can lead me through green and red I'd be happy to sign this.
If you don't even know what green and red are then you have no business asking for this.

[ulticleo]

I can't believe it, but I have to agree with H4x. don't remove it, don't eliminate it. BUT if I did the preraid, let me enter just the raid. DQ works like that. no reason titan and von shouldn't.

von, titan, and DQ were already changed to require the flagging quests to be run once as opposed to every time you want to run the raid. VON is hardly ever run at level. titan and DQ never. so yeah, it's just time sinks. titan and von pre-raid are at least kinda interesting. the DQ is a total BS as we all run it on cas.

I've only ran titan a handful of times as I see an lfm up for it about once every 2-3 weeks, and it sits there for at least an hour... changing the mechanism will allow more "training" runs, leading to more people knowing the raid, and more people running it. that's a good thing.

[Calebro]

I've only ran titan a handful of times as I see an lfm up for it about once every 2-3 weeks, and it sits there for at least an hour... changing the mechanism will allow more "training" runs, leading to more people knowing the raid, and more people running it. that's a good thing.

So join in early and learn to do it.
When there are lots of people in the group it's probably already done and you won't learn anything. But when there are only one or two people in the group they'll probably be happy to teach you.
You only need two people to get started, three to complete. The more you have the faster it should get done. So jumping in early means you'll learn what's going on. Waiting for it to almost fill means you'll learn nothing.

[ulticleo]

... and before people start being nasty...
I lead a few guildies in a training run a while back, and we figured out both red and green on our own. so no, I don't just join and sit in the sub like others might (ahem).

edit: Calebro already beat me to it. assume = make an... you know the rest.

[Calebro]

... and before people start being nasty...
I lead a few guildies in a training run a while back, and we figured out both red and green on our own. so no, I don't just join and sit in the sub like others might (ahem).

edit: Calebro already beat me to it. assume = make an... you know the rest.

Being proactive FTW!

I remember when I wanted to learn green after finally getting sick of piking. I entered by myself and figured it out. Took a few hours. I took screenies of all the rooms' puzzles and placed them in a folder. When I need to do green, I open the folder and look at my screenies. Green gets done.

So lazy people LISTEN to other people doing it, think it's too hard, and ask for a nerf.
Proactive people just go in and do it, and never have to ask for a thing again because now they understand what they need to do and they know how to do it.
See the difference H4x?