can my cleric be saved?

[WanderingAssassin]

well, this is my first toon, and I just love to play him. now I got 32 point build and I didn't plain this build out. just went with it and I think I have made some mistakes. I know there not to bad. so I wanted to know should I just junk him or try to fix him. I still got my free feat token and maybe have enough shards to get another feat changed. I know on my skill I mess those up a little

15 Cleric Chaotic Neutral Human Male
Hit Points: 177
Spell Points: 1193


Abilities (28 Point)
Strength 13
Dexterity 10
Constitution 10
Intelligence 8
Wisdom 24
Charisma 13

I used a tome somewhere
+1 Tome of Charisma

Skills
Balance 2
Concentration 18
Haggle 2
Heal 15
Jump 2
Tumble 1


Feat
Empower Healing Spell ( maybe take heighten or spell pen)
Extend Spell
Maximize Spell
Mental Toughness
Improved Mental Toughness
Quicken Spell
Toughness

Enhancement
Unyielding Sovereignty
Follower of the Sovereign Host
Human Adaptability Strength I (maybe switch this out for Charisma)
Human Improved Recovery I
Cleric Improved Empower Healing I
Racial Toughness I
Racial Toughness II
Cleric Life Magic I
Cleric Life Magic II
Cleric Life Magic III
Cleric Life Magic IV
Cleric Energy of the Zealot I
Cleric Energy of the Zealot II
Cleric Energy of the Zealot III
Cleric Energy of the Zealot IV
Cleric Wisdom I
Cleric Wisdom II
Cleric Wisdom III
Cleric Divine Vitality I
Cleric Divine Vitality II
Cleric Divine Vitality III

I was thinking of losing the empowered healing but I don't truly know what to replace it. maybe heighten or spell pen... I could spend the $5 bucks to buy the Heart of Wood and re do all feats and things. but at that point I think I should just reroll and make a 32 point one.

thanks in advance

[phalaeo]

Well, if you buy the GREATER heart of wood, it makes the character 32 pt, so you can do both at once.

You need more CON.... that's first. Minimum 12, ideally 14, 16 if it won't gimp you.

[issiana]

your feats look fine. and no dont drop empower healing its a pre req for radiant servant PrE line, and that line is so worth taking on a cleric. you ca nget heighten at lvl 18.

also what phalaeo said re con. your hitpoints are way to low. a dead healer cant heal

on enhancements, drop the spell point ones, the DV ones (keep dv 1 though its worth it) drop human str and focus on offensive spell casting since your wis is high (i'm assuming you started with 18 wis.) pick up radiant servant 1 and 2 and sit back and marvel at endless free healing auras and amazing undead nuking bursts. it really is a great enhancement.

Skills, heal is a waste, jump, balance, concentration are the main ones to get.

and yeah, rather than wasting feat swapping stuff just get a greater heart and greater reincarnate. that resets everything except race and alignment

[AtomicMew]

Except for the low CON and lack of radiant servant, it looks just fine. Concentrate on getting HP gear: greater false lifeand +6 CON item on the AH, farm out a minos legens if you don't have one too. Reset your enhancements with plat and grab radiant servant.

You can healbot your way to level 20 and beyond. I would not bother spending so many TP on a heart of woods. There are just so many better things you can do with equivalent turbine points, if you are savvy.

[wax_on_wax_off]

Feats are fine but I would never take mental toughness or improved mental toughness. Instead I would take spell penetration and greater spell penetration. These 2 and heighten are all you are missing for a perfect feat setup.

HP are low, the difference between 10 con and 14 con at level 20 is 40 HP which will be a 10% loss or more. Still, with a little bit of gear you will be able to get over 300 so still be perfectly capable of healing most normal and hard difficulty raids and some epics. It will be a pain for you but it is manageable with good player skill and gear.

The only really important skill is concentration. Balance, jump and UMD are all optional extras that don't really gimp your character if you miss out on them. Possibly pick up a +10-15 balance ring to swap to if you think you might get knocked down or are getting knocked down a lot.

Down the track a greater res or a true res will be on the cards but it is not a priority at the moment unless you are overly worried about "optimal" which doesn't really matter on a healer cleric.

[WanderingAssassin]

thanks for every one replying so fast and with good information.

I think I will try to level this toon up to 20 and TR that way I didn't waist all that time making him. he is really not that bad. just made a few bad choices. I have redo my enhancement and it look like I need to do it again after reading some of the post. I did not know about radiant servant......

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Level 15 Chaotic Neutral Human Male
(15 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 192
Spell Points: 1059 
BAB: 11\11\16\21
Fortitude: 10
Reflex: 5
Will: 15

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 15)
Strength             12                    12 (took the one point I had into it from an enhancement)
Dexterity            10                    10
Constitution         10                    12   ( and put it here + added a +1 tome)
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom               18                    23
Charisma             12                    13

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 1
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 15 (thinking of getting one to help out some since could use th HP)

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 15)
Balance               0                     2
Bluff                 1                     1
4                    19
Diplomacy             1                     1
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle                1                     2
Heal                  8                    14
Hide                  0                     0
Intimidate            1                     1
Jump                  1                     2
Listen                4                     6
Move Silently         0                     0
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                    -1
Spot                  4                     6
Swim                  1                     1
Tumble                n/a                   1
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a
yes I know I went a little dumb with the skills. there nothing I can do about it now. but put
 the rest of my points into Concentration and maybe jump or balance. think at this point just
 would be better.. but I don't know to much about end game


Feat
Empower Healing Spell 
Extend Spell
Maximize Spell
Mental Toughness      (don't know if I will be doing this one for greater Spell pen )
Improved Mental Toughness ( will be trading this for spell Pen) 
Quicken Spell
Toughness 
although I'm not sold on losing 210 sp for I few spell pen points. since if I'm in a group I really
 only heal and not have to worry about getting past SR. for soloing it is nice but I guess I 
don't know enough about the last 5 lvls to say


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration III
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery II
now I only have 57 AP right now so and this is what I have right now. I got to wait another
 day before I can redo them again. 

this is the new one that it should go to when I can get to change my enhancements and get 
to 60 AP
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I 
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II 
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty 
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host 
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I 
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I 
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing I 
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing II 
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing III 
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I 
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II 
Enhancement: Improved Heal I 
Enhancement: Improved Heal II 
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I 
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I 
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I 
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II 
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III 
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic IV 
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration I 
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Spell Penetration II 
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I 
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom II 
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I 
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I 
Enhancement: Cleric Wand and Scroll Mastery I

[learst]

A lot of new folks are not aware of this, but under your Enhancement tab there is a box which you can check to "show unavailable".Then it will list all possible enhancements you can take for your character (greyed out). Keep a lookout for those specific to your main class, in this case cleric. You can see the pre-requisites for them such as minimum level, AP spent, or other required feats/enhancements. This will help you plan your enhancements better.

[Dendrix]

10 con is unfixable.

Buy a Greater Heart and upgrade from 28 to 32 points. Increase the con