"What If" AA & Bow Strength (and related enhancements) worked with Repeaters

[Failedlegend]

Hey guys I was really bored during lunch at work today (forgot my book) so i booted up my cell and started doing some doodling and came up with the idea to make an AA/Mech1/Kensai2 (would do pure rogue but WAY too many feats needed) even though I knew it wasn't possible due to repeaters being unaffected but what can I say I was bored and sorta curious as how it could affect things so this is what I came up with...and frankly it would actually really help up the effectiveness of ranged combat

Note: I'm actually unsure about the level order and really its flexible whether you go for Bow Str or mech 1 Int first...really fighter first would make the lower levels easier and you could avoid ever having the rogue symbol and thus people who expect you too do traps...alternatively you could take ranger levels as well but I liked fighter better overall


Anyways here it is with the stat/equipment breakdown as well:

Str 16+2(Tome )+6(Item) +3(Enh) +3(Excep) +2 (Lvls) = 32
Dex 16+2 (Tome)+6 (Item) +4(Enh) + 1(lvls) + 3(Excep) = 32
Con 12+2 (Tome)+6 (Item) = 20
Int 16+2 (Tome)+6 (Item) = 24 + 2 (Lvls) +2(Excep) = 28
Wis 8+2 (Tome)+6 (Item) = 16
Cha 8+2 (Tome)+6 (Item) = 16

Head: Minos Legens
Neck: Verik's *OR* Gilvaenor's
Trinkets: HoGF , Shimmering Arrowhead
Cloak: Lvl 16 Cloak of Night
Belt: Greenweave Belt
Ring1: Verik's *OR* Gilvaenor's
Gloves:7 Fingered Gloves
Boots: Greenweave boots
Ring2: ???
Bracers: Tharne's
Armor: Crimson Chain
Goggles: Tharne's
Weapon: Rad2, Lit2 GS Repeaters

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Level 20 True Neutral Elf Female
(12 Fighter \ 6 Rogue \ 2 Bard) 
Hit Points: 270
Spell Points: 115 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 18
Will: 9

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    23
Dexterity            16                    23
Constitution         12                    14
Intelligence         16                    20
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma              8                    10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                 Feat/Enhancement
                  Modified Skills
Skills             (Level 20)
Balance                 29
Bluff                    2
Concentration            4
Diplomacy               25
Disable Device           n/a
Haggle                  17
Heal                     0
Hide                    16
Intimidate               2
Jump                    29
Listen                  11
Move Silently           15
Open Lock               19
Perform                  3
Repair                   7
Search                   9
Spot                     4
Swim                    15
Tumble                  15
Use Magic Device        26

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Swim (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 3 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: INT
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 5 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 6 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Precise Shot


Level 7 (Bard)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Perform (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Focusing Chant


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: INT
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Rapid Reload
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 10 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Ranged Weapons


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Bow Strength


Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons


Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Precise Shot


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Repeating Heavy Crossbow


Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device


Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Ranged Weapons


Level 20 (Bard)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Haggle (+7)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Spell (1): Feather Fall
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage II
Enhancement: Rogue Acid Trap Lore I
Enhancement: Kensei Repeating Heavy Crossbow Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Repeating Light Crossbow Specialization I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Rogue Mechanic I
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device I
Enhancement: Improved Disable Device II
Enhancement: Improved Open Lock I
Enhancement: Improved Open Lock II
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I

Since Bow str makes less sense on a self propelled weapon it would make more sense that bow str causes the x-bow to increase in size (thus a bigger bolt) based on your Str Mod...plus it would look cool

[Damionic]

I'll chime before the others.

The Bow Str relates to the Str needed to pull back the bow before you fire (the stronger you are the better the pull back = damage)

The crossbow on the other hand is like a gun..you only need to pull a lever to activate it and release the bolt (no STR needed) and placing the bolt needs no more Str then holding a dagger.

That is why Bow Str won't work with Crossbows.

EDIT

..But

In respect of an Arcane Archer enchanting the bolt on release..I don't see why not..after all

1. you already get enchanted bolts in the game.

2. The Arcane Spell "Flame Arrow" Enchants all projectiles with fire damage.

[Failedlegend]

I'll chime before the others.

The Bow Str relates to the Str needed to pull back the bow before you fire (the stronger you are the better the pull back = damage)

The crossbow on the other hand is like a gun..you only need to pull a lever to activate it and release the bolt (no STR needed) and placing the bolt needs no more Str then holding a dagger.

That is why Bow Str won't work with Crossbows.

I mostly don't really care if its logical it was a "How effective" would this be if all the "Melee,longbow,etc.only" were removed (alot of the enhancements and stuff had things like this)...although I did mention that instead of bow strength we could make the xbow bigger but based on your strength mod thus making it bow strength AND making sense (also it makes sense that a mechanic could modify it)

EDIT
..But

In respect of an Arcane Archer enchanting the bolt on release..I don't see why not..after all

1. you already get enchanted bolts in the game.

2. The Arcane Spell "Flame Arrow" Enchants all projectiles with fire damage.

That I do definitely agree with.

[Bunker]

repeater users already get a version of bow strength. It is called Rogue Int bonus to dmg. As for AA and repeaters. If that was the case, all rogue mechanics would be elf. And no other race EVER.

-Bunk

p.s. Failed: Im obviously in the corner that supports repeater users, but these 2 ideas are not happening. Long Live the Repeater Mechanic!

[Failedlegend]

repeater users already get a version of bow strength. It is called Rogue Int bonus to dmg. As for AA and repeaters. If that was the case, all rogue mechanics would be elf. And no other race EVER.

-Bunk

p.s. Failed: Im obviously in the corner that supports repeater users, but these 2 ideas are not happening. Long Live the Repeater Mechanic!

Lol yeah I know...im constantly posting in that thread...I was just bored and wanted to see how much i could push it by having BOTH AA and Mech as well as Bow Str...thus giving better abilties and Two damage stats...I mostly wanted to see if someone would guesstimate the DPS and compare it to others. It's not an actual suggestion. (although i wouldn't complain if they decided to stop making EVERYTHING every melee or long/shortbow only)

Hmm I just noticed I put this in suggestions...can a dev move this to the gen chat or something.

[h4x0r1f1c]

NO!!!

Heavy Repeaters + Slayer Bolts = OP

[Failedlegend]

NO!!!

Heavy Repeaters + Slayer Bolts = OP

Yes i will be the ultimate PvPer...too bad i could care less :P but again why are people taking my idea seriously i coulda have swron i said it was something i did because i was bored "for fun" its not even legal in-game. I just really want to see a dps guessimate to see if this monstrosity could top the charts

[h4x0r1f1c]

Everr ranger (and other classes) would reroll as some form of Kensai Heavy Repeater build and rely on Slayer Bolts 24/7.