Kill the Rep System.

[Memnir]

At any rate: Yay phantom page 38 has appeared!!!

I've heard the term 'ghost in the machine' before... but I think the phantom pages are the closest I've come to seeing it put to life. Those are the restless ghosts of dead posts.

You need a Ghost Touch monitor to see them.
Or a freaky little kid from Philly.

[puget]

Hmmm. I did my homework, and here is a direct quote from when reputation was launched........

If someone is placed in the moderated group due to low reputation, we will review the circumstances that placed them there. We won't tolerate abuse of the reputation system, and if someone is receiving negative reputation for posts that do not deserve it we will take action. The reputation is a method for posters to receive credit for positive and constructive posts that the community appreciates, as well as a form of self-policing.

If at any point you feel you are unfairly being given negative (or positive) reputation, send Tolero or myself a PM and we will investigate.

Hope nobody insinuates that it is a waste of time appealing positive reputation now.

EDIT: Even if this was meant for laughs, still being instructed to do it if you feel your positive reputation is given unfair.

EDIT after EDITED: The link to the thread I dug up the post>> http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...01#post2234701

[Ugumagre]

Hmmm. I did my homework, and here is a direct quote from when reputation was launched........




Hope nobody insinuates that it is a waste of time appealing positive reputation now.

Good Job!!

[puget]

For those of you that TRULY oppose the reputation system as is, and truly want to make a stand, you should be filing an appeal to have any and ALL reputation whether good or bad overturned if you truly do not feel you warrant/deserve it.

The mods will overturn positive reputation, I have had positive reputation overturned today, by filing an appeal stating I do not feel the positive was warranted.

If you want to make a stand on this matter, then I suggest you make a stand on the matter, not just talk about making a stand on the matter. I personally feel that all + reputation given to me for anything is unwarranted, simply because I am not here to garner favor, I do not post hoping to get reputation

It is ultimately up to the mods to decide if the reputation you are given for a post is warranted, good or bad, let them do their job and make that decision.

[joneb1999]

If anyone opts out of the system why do they bother with those that don't or care whether it exists or no?. Though I take part in the system I recognise a poster by the attitude in his posts and not the rep. I have to say I didnt get rep from guildies and friends bumping it up to let me get it high or anything like that.

I have had quite a few bad rep for reasons possibly justified and sometimes completely unwarranted so that i got it returned by mods but on a whole my current rep comes from a general live and let live attitude being recognised (though frequently I get moments of worldwide genocidal tendencies lol)and from suggestions too but dont judge me by my rep judge me by posts.

[Gremmlynn]

Well, I was all ready to join the revolution when I noticed they added the don't show rep option to froob accounts.

Problem is, it seems to just turn itself back on every time I shut it off.

[Memnir]

*nudge*


The system is still broken. Can we get it fixed yet?
Or better yet, put it's head on a spike?

[stainer]

*nudge*


The system is still broken. Can we get it fixed yet?
Or better yet, put it's head on a spike?

You only say this because I am catching you.

YOU WILL SHARE.

[Memnir]

A question for the Mods...


If a hypothetical forum member who has made several long posts on the pratfalls and pitfalls of the Rep System were to have had a hypothetical conversation with a hypothetical Mod - and hypothetically they came up with a few hypothetical fixes/changes to said Rep System... how long, hypothetically, would it take to implement these potentially hypothetical fixes?


And let's take into account that these hypothetical conversations may have taken place at the end of June into the second week of July in the form of Private Messages.


Hypothetically speaking - wouldn't three to four months be enough time? Because, that hypothetical forum member might begin to lose patience and faith in the Mod team, and think that they may have been foolish to believe that any hypothetical fixes and assurances that the hypothetical Mod may have made were never genuine in the first place.


Ya know.... hypothetically speaking.

[smeggy1384]

Okay, so you don't want to talk about the cluster-fail that is the Rep system. I get it. It's not a comfortable discussion for you guys to have, I guess.

So just kill it. Wash it away.

If the Mods can't be bothered to deal with the problems with it, then it's better to just call it a failed effort then to continue it a moment more.


And, before anyone suggests I'm continuing a closed thread - let me just say that this is a new topic. Before, I wanted the Mods to discuss or clarify. I don't want that anymore - I just say it should be killed with fire and be nothing but a bad memory. I no longer want to talk about how to fix it, I want to talk about attending it's funeral. See? Different topic entirely.

All i have to say is -1 rep. Oh, to the forum rep thing that is. If they won't get rid of it everyone could just randomly +1 or -1 eachother, make it track more and more info.. then start appealing the -1s, waste their time until they get the idea.

[EnjoyTheJourney]

The problems have easily outweighed the (minimal, in practice) benefits of a rep system on any set of boards that I've ever frequented.

/signed on removing the rep system.

The simplest way to get rid of it isn't by creating work with appeals; for one thing, you have to take time out of your day to file each appeal, and for another the people who deal with appeals are probably not the ones who put this system in place, nor are they likely to be the ones who have the authority needed to turn the rep system off. Why mess up the workday of those who aren't responsible for this system, and who probably don't have the power to switch it off anyways?

A simpler and less labor intensive way to eliminate the rep system is by cutting off its reason to exist; as hiding rep from public view becomes more and more common, the system becomes more and more obviously pointless, without causing forum posters to invest significant amounts of time, on an ongoing basis, and without messing up any forum mod's workday.

I'll be switching things around (permanently) so that my rep will not be visible to the public anymore, after making this post.

[smeggy1384]

I'll be switching things around (permanently) so that my rep will not be visible to the public anymore, after making this post.

You have some good points.. I'm just mean and wanted to be a pain. How does one hide that anyway?

[EnjoyTheJourney]

... How does one hide that anyway?

Click on "User CP" (near the top of the main forum webpage), then click on "Edit Options" on the left hand side of your screen. Then, remove the check mark from the box to the left hand side of the following text on that webpage:

Show Your Reputation Level

To finish up, save your choice toward the bottom of that webpage.

[smeggy1384]

Click on "User CP" (near the top of the main forum webpage), then click on "Edit Options" on the left hand side of your screen. Then, remove the check mark from the box to the left hand side of the following text on that webpage:

Show Your Reputation Level

To finish up, save your choice toward the bottom of that webpage.

Thanks it works! +1 to yo... oh wait. Well thanks

[dragonfett]

I am a bit of a newb to this Reputation System on the forums, but I went ahead and disabled the option to show the Rep level anyway. Would someone be so kind as to explain the Rep system to me, please?

[umeannothing]

I am a bit of a newb to this Reputation System on the forums, but I went ahead and disabled the option to show the Rep level anyway. Would someone be so kind as to explain the Rep system to me, please?

The rep system is nothing more than the football team in highschool lording it over the band members. My best analogy.

If you post a funny picture, you will get + rep. If you post any type of argument against any other poster with a long bar, and they do not like that you make sense where they do not, you will be - rep.

The rep system is about as balanced as an overheating car, a poster with lots of green boxes can give you a single neg rep that will wipe out 6 months worth of positive rep in one tick.

The longer the green bar, the harder the hit, it is like going into Crystal Cove as a level 5 but trying to do a CR18 CC, you are small, the mobs are big, they will one shot you and you have no defense.

You did the right thing by disabling it, as the [others] that complain to get rid of the system also do not report any positive rep that was undeserved/unwarranted, they just like to talk about how they report the negative reputaions they are given undeservedly/unwarranted. They seem to think posting pictures and links to youtube that have no relevance in a topic/thread are worthy of bad positive reputation.

[Memnir]

Dear Forum Mods,


Perhaps as part of the Great Forum Reclamation Project of Fall 2011, you could consider either making fixes to the Rep System. Or take the preferable route of removing it all together. The first option would be well received by your loyal forumites, while the second one would induce jubilant dancing in the streets.

A question for the Mods...


If a hypothetical forum member who has made several long posts on the pratfalls and pitfalls of the Rep System were to have had a hypothetical conversation with a hypothetical Mod - and hypothetically they came up with a few hypothetical fixes/changes to said Rep System... how long, hypothetically, would it take to implement these potentially hypothetical fixes?


And let's take into account that these hypothetical conversations may have taken place at the end of June into the second week of July in the form of Private Messages.


Hypothetically speaking - wouldn't three to four months be enough time? Because, that hypothetical forum member might begin to lose patience and faith in the Mod team, and think that they may have been foolish to believe that any hypothetical fixes and assurances that the hypothetical Mod may have made were never genuine in the first place.


Ya know.... hypothetically speaking.

And still this.
I realize my questions may have been hypothetical... but they were not rhetorical. My desire for an answer is very real.

[sebastianosmith]

I realize my questions may have been hypothetical... but they were not rhetorical. My desire for an answer is very real.

[Silverwren]

Wow! 38 pages on this subject. Hmmmm. I don't think we've done enough to let the developers know just how we feel about this subject. I propose we dedicate another 38 pages to it. Perhaps then the developers will get the message.

What's the message? Like Memnir says: FIX IT OR KILL IT!

[Chai]

I am leaning toward just kill it, and have a report only system.

Part of what causes this huge disparity between how the system is intended to work -vs- how it works is lack of mod interaction with the rep system in the first place. People are basically on their honor to use the system fairly and asked to report abuse - yeah, we see how that worked out. LOL

Making it report only makes it so that every single action taken by a user against another user is reviewed by the mods. Griefing doesnt slip through the system as easily, or at all, when the mods are forced to see every report, because if someone reports everyone in a thread who disagrees with them, they are drawing attention to their own griefing actions. If someone reports every post made by a single user they are drawing attention to the fact that they are trying to grief that user.

And in my opinion, if its not reportable, no need to draw any attention to it. Players will understand that if they do report a post, they better have a good reason to do so, and that each report action they take does land on someones desk and does get looked into.