Tensers Transformation needs adjustment

[GunboatDiplomat]

The +4 Strength dexterity and Constitution bonuses for Tensers are currently enhancement bonuses which makes them pretty much useless as everyone of high level already has enhancement bonuses through items. I suggest they become a type of bonus which stacks with enhancement bonuses.

Yes it also makes your BAB equivalent to your level but this is widely available for 1.06 mins with a cheap divine power clickie. And the penalty of not being able to cast any spells at all is so severe you should at least gwet something for that.

This would change Tensers from a spell no one ever ever uses to a spell which MAY be of situational use to a small number of builds (most especially my gimpy fighter/wizzie ofc). "Will I cast tensers? But what if I need to recast displacement or haste???"

[elraido]

Negative to the stacking. It will only push the game further and further into the realms of absurdity for str and con vs pnp

[HallowedOne]

Negative to the stacking. It will only push the game further and further into the realms of absurdity for str and con vs pnp

What do you mean?

I think Tenser's should be rethought of as it was suggested so a new branch of builds could be created.

[Angelus_dead]

It would be useful to adjust Tenser's Transformation, but stacking bonuses isn't a beneficial approach.

The best fix would be difficult and complicated; but a minor change that could be done quickly is to raise the enhancement stat bonuses from +4 to +6 (equivalent to from Divine Power). That way, at least, Tenser's bonus wouldn't be at all inferior to what you can get from a DP clicky, which has the enormous advantage of not interfering with spellcasting.

[Dandonk]

I would like to have the "cannot cast spells" part changed to a +50% sp cost or even a +100% cost.

Changing the bonuses to stats to profane or something wouldn't be bad, either, but might make the spell overpowered.

[Crystalizer]

well i would really like changes about that spell, but i think we won't anyway obtain the ability to cast while we have this buff. but what i would like for this spells is a bab buff as it currently functions, if divine builds have divine power spell it doesnt seem unrealistic to allow it to arcanes. giving +6 con/str is very secondary since with hig-end gears you wont drop your healing amp + 6 str bracers or your con6 of greater false life belt. allowing casting while tensered is important too, or offer some specific boost like +100% repairing on pots only, and/or some magic pots of repair as a limited amount like fire arrows when you cast the spell.

[LordRavnos]

I am going to have to say no, I have seen more than 1 scroll of this and can easily imagine people stock piling a massive amount after this change to boost there UMD able melee'r and getting much more use then the wizard out of it.

[GunboatDiplomat]

I am going to have to say no, I have seen more than 1 scroll of this and can easily imagine people stock piling a massive amount after this change to boost there UMD able melee'r and getting much more use then the wizard out of it.

This is a fair concern but one which could be addressed by removing the scroll from the vendors with no warning and thus no opportunity for people to stockpile. Start stockpiling NOW just in case In any case it would be only a small number of players who would do this and it wouldn't take too long for stockpiles to diminish in most cases.

As much as I like the idea of changing the bonuses to stack, I still wouldn't use the spell on my wizards/sorcs for the same reason I don't use Madstone Boots

The analogy with madstone boots is useful as its an example of another way a wizard can gain greater benefits from a clicky than from this spell.

On a wizard there's no room for an str item, there's other things you can use for rings/belt/wrist/etc.

Huh? I rarely run out of slots on casters and all of mine have a fair amount of greensteel/raid loot. In any case if you were THAT stuck you can always use the Bulls strength spell.

The only thing Tensers needs is the ability to dismiss it like a barb does their rage

This is an interesting idea as is the idea it could increase spell point costs but I don't feel its in the spirit of the spell.

simply put tensers transformation should be made to have the same or similar results to divine power - non stacking bonuses but not inhibitng casting....

.....an increase to the power of mele oriented buffs would cause a powershift and end up in monsters having even more hit points.

My feeling is that tensers should simply mimic divine power in all aspects, this cannot break anything as any mele focused arcane will already be using divine power clickies. Where as making the bonuses stack runs the risk of disrupting the balance.

Likewise here, I like the idea you can't cast while using the spell as it makes its use quite a bit more tactical. Melee clerics/fvs usually use both divine power and divine favour giving full BAB, +6 str enchancement and +3 to hit and damage for about the same sp costs as Tensers.

As for the powershift up the only danger I see in this regard is from UMD users (as above) as melee arcanes would still be amongst the weakest builds in the game and full catsers woould probably never use it still.

My sugestion is to make your main caster stat your bab and damage stat( +1 per caster lvl max +15) so a 36 Cha sorcerer would have +13 to hit and damage

Now THIS would make is massively overpowered

[Phidius]

I'm all for changing Tenser's to be a spell that I might want to inscribe for a reason other than I don't want to see it as a choice every time I level up.

As much as I like the idea of changing the bonuses to stack, I still wouldn't use the spell on my wizards/sorcs for the same reason I don't use Madstone Boots.

Increasing the cost of spells sounds pretty good, but then I'd only use the spell when I'm not really threatened by the mobs and can simply heal from scrolls. Actually, if the cost of spells were increased as per Combat Expertise, the only toon I have who would use it is Stryde, as he can self-heal from aura and burst, and just UMD the scrolls. That would be great - my wizards would use the divine spell, and my cleric would use the arcane spell

How about making meta-magics inoperative while Tenser's is running instead of turning off all spell casting? This would keep UMD melee from "exploiting" the spell, while retaining a bit of the original flavor. Oh, and get rid of the "Potion of Bull's Strength" as a regent, too - not going to stock up on those.

[Bogenbroom]

My feeling on it is that the existing bonuses to STR and CON should be replaced with a bonus equal to you INT/CHR bonus OR +4 whichever is greater when cast, but just +4 when cast from scroll. I think that would buff up the numbers nicely and make the caster who currently just sits around waiting to buff in raids at least able to *do* something, while still not making it over powered...

Additionally, it could become one of those spells that specialty builds make a great deal of use of.

[EinarMal]

Negative to the stacking. It will only push the game further and further into the realms of absurdity for str and con vs pnp

Seriously?

A pure fighter gets what +11 to strength from enhancements, Tenser's is self only a Wizard is getting no where close to Fighter/Barbarian levels.

This would at least make it usable vs. Divine Power clickies potentially, most would probably still use DP because it does not cripple spell casting.

[Aspenor]

The +4 Strength dexterity and Constitution bonuses for Tensers are currently enhancement bonuses which makes them pretty much useless as everyone of high level already has enhancement bonuses through items. I suggest they become a type of bonus which stacks with enhancement bonuses.

Yes it also makes your BAB equivalent to your level but this is widely available for 1.06 mins with a cheap divine power clickie. And the penalty of not being able to cast any spells at all is so severe you should at least gwet something for that.

This would change Tensers from a spell no one ever ever uses to a spell which MAY be of situational use to a small number of builds (most especially my gimpy fighter/wizzie ofc). "Will I cast tensers? But what if I need to recast displacement or haste???"

Wait for it. I already suggested a Tenser's fix that was received well by developers.

[GunboatDiplomat]

Wait for it. I already suggested a Tenser's fix that was received well by developers.

Ah interesting, could you provide a link please?

[Aspenor]

Ah interesting, could you provide a link please?

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=253265

[GunboatDiplomat]

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=253265

Many thanks, not what I would have hoped for but better than the status quo

[Logic]

I just want full BAB and to be able to cast spells. Stacking buffs are not needed. I Have an 18wiz/2fighter and I have never used this spell because it's so terrible.

[Cyr]

So most of the responses here against the OP seem to be focused on the scrolling other toon issue.

So how about...

Grants BAB = character level
Grants untyped bonus to str and con equal to character's int or cha modifier (whichever is higher) divided by three.
No offensive spellcasting allowed while active.