Introduce "DDO store only" PrE enhancements

[Angelus_dead]

To play devil's advocate: why is selling PrEs different than selling classes, assuming that VIPs would get them for free?

It's different because there are already enough classes and races available, and already were even without Monk, Warforged, Hork, and Helf.

But DDO's prestige enhancements haven't yet reached that point of baseline completeness, and with their slow progress it doesn't seem they're even close. If all classes already had two decent prestige specialties up to tier 3, then maybe they could consider diverting resources to special paid specialties. But since prestige specialties are a key component of a classes's capability, to start doing it now would mean reneging on supplying the classes people have already supposedly been granted.

[xxHazexx]

same As Races/classes, Monk, Fvs, Drow, Wf All Require Some Sort Of Unlocking Through Favor Or Buying From The Ddo Store. The Same Can Be Applied To Enhancements. Given The Pres For Each Class Are Hardly Complete, Turbine Can Take The Chance To Give Them More Incentive To Release Them By Allowing Users To Pay For Them, Or, Unlock Them Through Other Means.

For Example, Turbine Can Post "fire Servant" Sorcerer I, Ii, Iii, Pre For Sale On Ddo Store. The Player Must Purchase It In Order To Take It. It Will Behave Just Like Other Enhancement In Terms Of Usability.

Some Other Example, Turbine Can Post "warchanter Iii" Pre For Bards. Given Warchanter Ii Is Already Released As Free Enhancement, This Might Give The Player More Incentive To Buy The 3rd Pre.

I Hope The Money Raised From This Can Speed Up The Development Time At Turbine, And Possible Introduce More Contents (as In Raids, Classes, Races).

No.

[Alabore]

It's different because there are already enough classes and races available, and already were even without Monk, Warforged, Hork, and Helf.

I am not advocating selling PrEs.
But I struggle to see a difference: Shintao and Ninja Spy already are Store-only PrEs.
You get them when you buy Monk.

How is creating a store-exclusive race/class different from creating a store-exclusive PrE?

[NaturalHazard]

Same as races/classes, monk, Fvs, Drow, WF all require some sort of unlocking through favor or buying from the DDO store. The same can be applied to enhancements. Given the PrEs for each class are hardly complete, Turbine can take the chance to give them more incentive to release them by allowing users to pay for them, or, unlock them through other means.

For example, Turbine can post "fire servant" sorcerer I, II, III, PrE for sale on DDO store. The player must purchase it in order to take it. It will behave just like other enhancement in terms of usability.

Some other example, Turbine can post "warchanter III" PrE for bards. Given Warchanter II is already released as free enhancement, this might give the player more incentive to buy the 3rd PrE.

I hope the money raised from this can speed up the development time at Turbine, and possible introduce more contents (as in raids, classes, races).

No............. in fact hell no!!!!!

[Lorz]

Same as races/classes, monk, Fvs, Drow, WF all require some sort of unlocking through favor or buying from the DDO store. The same can be applied to enhancements. Given the PrEs for each class are hardly complete, Turbine can take the chance to give them more incentive to release them by allowing users to pay for them, or, unlock them through other means.

For example, Turbine can post "fire servant" sorcerer I, II, III, PrE for sale on DDO store. The player must purchase it in order to take it. It will behave just like other enhancement in terms of usability.

Some other example, Turbine can post "warchanter III" PrE for bards. Given Warchanter II is already released as free enhancement, this might give the player more incentive to buy the 3rd PrE.

I hope the money raised from this can speed up the development time at Turbine, and possible introduce more contents (as in raids, classes, races).

Your trolling flamebait skills...sir....they are impressive.

/not signing your suggestion...but i would like to sign up for your news letter.

[Fishcatch22]

[Nebuchanezzar]

Not just No... Hell no.

qft

[OzmarDDO]

absolutely the worst idea I've ever read on any gaming forum.

Ditto!

Of course, it may be up there with "I wanna play EEEEVIL! Stomp! Gush!"

-Ozmar the Disapproving

[OzmarDDO]

It is actually a very good and financially sound idea from a business perspective if it could (a) be appropriately programmed and (b) be unlocked in-game like the drow or FvS.

It is a very bad idea from the point of us, the consumers, though.

No. A "very good and financially sound idea from a business perspective" is antithetical to a "very bad idea from the point of... the consumer" in a free market.

Turbine's business thrives by making us happy and eager to play their game. This is a bad idea for us, and a bad idea for their business.

-Ozmar the Amateur Economist

[Angelus_dead]

How is creating a store-exclusive race/class different from creating a store-exclusive PrE?

As already explained inside the material you quoted, they already had enough free classes before adding the store-exclusive ones. But there are not presently enough free prestige specialties, so it would be bad to start diverting effort to store-exclusive ones.

[Alabore]

As already explained inside the material you quoted, they already had enough free classes before adding the store-exclusive ones. But there are not presently enough free prestige specialties, so it would be bad to start diverting effort to store-exclusive ones.

That is the point I fail to grasp.
Is it just a matter of providing enough f2p choices?
If every f2p class had at least one full 3 tier PrE, would adding store-only PrEs be "not bad"?

To me the whole concept is very blurry: paid options are paid options.
I have trouble telling the difference between Horc and, say, a p2p Eldritch Knight, Mystic Theurge and so on.

From what I little I could gather about economics, good business practice is about providing a service potential customers would be eager to pay for.
Discriminating between a class and a PrE seems a bit more about semantics than money.

Maybe it is a language/culture barrier.
To me, once you start paying for an option, however you call it, it is still a paid option, be it a race, a class or a PrE.

[cecmk5]

such a bad Idea man.

[Talias006]

I am not advocating selling PrEs.
But I struggle to see a difference: Shintao and Ninja Spy already are Store-only PrEs.
You get them when you buy Monk.

How is creating a store-exclusive race/class different from creating a store-exclusive PrE?

Your point has only one basis that they are "store bought paid options," and that you are correct that you can get the Monk in the store. It has PrE options that you can use or you can choose not to. You can purchase some races in the store and some have PrE while others have just nifty enhancements that don't add up to a PrE at all. When you purchase these races/classes they allow you the option of using the PrE's/enhancements that come with them. You don't have to, but they are there for those who do. It's like having someone buy a car, but the seats are extra. Makes no sense to me.

[redoubt]

That is the point I fail to grasp.
Is it just a matter of providing enough f2p choices?
If every f2p class had at least one full 3 tier PrE, would adding store-only PrEs be "not bad"?

To me the whole concept is very blurry: paid options are paid options.
I have trouble telling the difference between Horc and, say, a p2p Eldritch Knight, Mystic Theurge and so on.

From what I little I could gather about economics, good business practice is about providing a service potential customers would be eager to pay for.
Discriminating between a class and a PrE seems a bit more about semantics than money.

Maybe it is a language/culture barrier.
To me, once you start paying for an option, however you call it, it is still a paid option, be it a race, a class or a PrE.

I already pay to play the game. I have access to all those things already by being VIP or through favor.

But, my bigger misgiving is that I disagree with selling anything needed in the store. In my opinion, the PREs are needed at this point.

Selling things that are optional, like armor appearance, hair change, extra character slots and TR hearts etc are fine.

[elujin]

am i the only one who thinks turbine is pritty fast with the updates ?

[Alabore]

Ok, I'm starting to see your point.
It is a matter of priorities.

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Interestingly enough, I tend to see it the other way around.
I'd rather have cosmetic options as a static service, as opposed to one-shot tonics.
Unlock it or buy it for good as an account-wide option, just like drow, veteran or maybe shared banking.