Who's the leader, anyways?

[NaturalHazard]

follow the leader, leader, leader, follow the leader!!!!!

left........ right..........

[Phemt81]

Your group, your rules, always seemed a simple rule to follow I thought. Not simple enough for some it seems

True. It s so much boring when you finish a quest and you team start asking: "what s next?" and say you need to sell/repair stuff and they again "what s next?, until someone say let' s do XXXXXXXXX quest, and only thing you can say is "***, i m the leader, create your own party if you wanna decide".

And just click leave button to let them rush they stuff.

[Shaamis]

I'D ALWAYS trust your leadership abilities in Shroud Zingana

I miss running with Duvessah! Hit Shaamis up sometime, i like running with friends only (you all know who you are) cuz I like to drink and be nekkid in my shroud runs!

[Schmoe]

True. It s so much boring when you finish a quest and you team start asking: "what s next?" and say you need to sell/repair stuff and they again "what s next?, until someone say let' s do XXXXXXXXX quest, and only thing you can say is "***, i m the leader, create your own party if you wanna decide".

And just click leave button to let them rush they stuff.

Yes, items.

[Zigana]

I'D ALWAYS trust your leadership abilities in Shroud Zingana

I miss running with Duvessah! Hit Shaamis up sometime, i like running with friends only (you all know who you are) cuz I like to drink and be nekkid in my shroud runs!

Too funny, I was just chatting with someone in my shroud run last night about not seeing you on a whole lot lately :P But then again, you never did shoot me that email with all your newer toons names like you were supposed to :P

[smithtj3]

I'm not sure why but there seems to be a strong belief in DDO that is if it can be done, it should be done. For the love of all that is good and decent, if the group leader explains the game strategy and it is a sound strategy, then that's the strategy the group uses. To often there is the player in the group who, despite the leader's display of logic and wisdom, insists that some moronic and unnecessary risk be taken.

On a VoD run the sorc in the group (not the party leader) demanded that the traps be left alone because he had some totally awesome exploit he needed to show us that would totally be awesome. The exploit was apparently that he had taken evasion and could buff his reflex save to 14 which was almost high enough to keep him from dieing immediately when the blade traps were tripped. So, as a result of the group leader not putting his adventuring boot down on this sorcs face, we now had a dead sorc and a room filled with fire bats, orthons, bearded devils, a peeved pit fiend, and whirling death blades.

After that anytime someone insists that chests need to be diploed, waters can be put in whenever, you don't need the runes for Tempest's Spine, or if we all arrange ourselves in a pentagram formation at the end fight of Eyes of Stone, the Medusa explodes, I do not hesitate to viscously pimp smack them back onto their street corner.

[Zigana]

I'm not sure why but there seems to be a strong belief in DDO that is if it can be done, it should be done. For the love of all that is good and decent, if the group leader explains the game strategy and it is a sound strategy, then that's the strategy the group uses. To often there is the player in the group who, despite the leader's display of logic and wisdom, insists that some moronic and unnecessary risk be taken.

On a VoD run the sorc in the group (not the party leader) demanded that the traps be left alone because he had some totally awesome exploit he needed to show us that would totally be awesome. The exploit was apparently that he had taken evasion and could buff his reflex save to 14 which was almost high enough to keep him from dieing immediately when the blade traps were tripped. So, as a result of the group leader not putting his adventuring boot down on this sorcs face, we now had a dead sorc and a room filled with fire bats, orthons, bearded devils, a peeved pit fiend, and whirling death blades.

After that anytime someone insists that chests need to be diploed, waters can be put in whenever, you don't need the runes for Tempest's Spine, or if we all arrange ourselves in a pentagram formation at the end fight of Eyes of Stone, the Medusa explodes, I do not hesitate to viscously pimp smack them back onto their street corner.

You sir, made me die of laughter! Will you be my new friend?

[Disavowed]

I'D ALWAYS trust your leadership abilities in Shroud Zingana

I miss running with Duvessah! Hit Shaamis up sometime, i like running with friends only (you all know who you are) cuz I like to drink and be nekkid in my shroud runs!

This means nothing coming from a drunken dwarf .

[bryanmeerkat]

I'm not sure why but there seems to be a strong belief in DDO that is if it can be done, it should be done. For the love of all that is good and decent, if the group leader explains the game strategy and it is a sound strategy, then that's the strategy the group uses. To often there is the player in the group who, despite the leader's display of logic and wisdom, insists that some moronic and unnecessary risk be taken.

Like in every VON 6 there is always at least one guy that has to point out that he can do a base on his own and dosent need any help . ( every single time I have run this someone has piped up with this )
So the leader assigns groups and he just has to point out that he dosent need help on his base . Like for some reason 9 people should just stay at the plate while 3 ubers go and clear a base each . Sure you can do it that way , but its far easier and simpler if you all have back up .

[NaturalHazard]

This means nothing coming from a drunken dwarf .

all the drunken dwarf needs in a leader is someone to point and say go kill em!!! try not to trip up on the way!!!

[Hordo]

I'm not sure why but there seems to be a strong belief in DDO that is if it can be done, it should be done. For the love of all that is good and decent, if the group leader explains the game strategy and it is a sound strategy, then that's the strategy the group uses. To often there is the player in the group who, despite the leader's display of logic and wisdom, insists that some moronic and unnecessary risk be taken.

On a VoD run the sorc in the group (not the party leader) demanded that the traps be left alone because he had some totally awesome exploit he needed to show us that would totally be awesome. The exploit was apparently that he had taken evasion and could buff his reflex save to 14 which was almost high enough to keep him from dieing immediately when the blade traps were tripped. So, as a result of the group leader not putting his adventuring boot down on this sorcs face, we now had a dead sorc and a room filled with fire bats, orthons, bearded devils, a peeved pit fiend, and whirling death blades.

After that anytime someone insists that chests need to be diploed, waters can be put in whenever, you don't need the runes for Tempest's Spine, or if we all arrange ourselves in a pentagram formation at the end fight of Eyes of Stone, the Medusa explodes, I do not hesitate to viscously pimp smack them back onto their street corner.

Freaking hilarious...and on the mark! +1

[BluWaterSeaWitch]

I'm not sure why but there seems to be a strong belief in DDO that is if it can be done, it should be done. For the love of all that is good and decent, if the group leader explains the game strategy and it is a sound strategy, then that's the strategy the group uses. To often there is the player in the group who, despite the leader's display of logic and wisdom, insists that some moronic and unnecessary risk be taken.

On a VoD run the sorc in the group (not the party leader) demanded that the traps be left alone because he had some totally awesome exploit he needed to show us that would totally be awesome. The exploit was apparently that he had taken evasion and could buff his reflex save to 14 which was almost high enough to keep him from dieing immediately when the blade traps were tripped. So, as a result of the group leader not putting his adventuring boot down on this sorcs face, we now had a dead sorc and a room filled with fire bats, orthons, bearded devils, a peeved pit fiend, and whirling death blades.

After that anytime someone insists that chests need to be diploed, waters can be put in whenever, you don't need the runes for Tempest's Spine, or if we all arrange ourselves in a pentagram formation at the end fight of Eyes of Stone, the Medusa explodes, I do not hesitate to viscously pimp smack them back onto their street corner.

+1

I want to do a quest with you now... I don't think I could do anything but laugh the entire time (wait I might die), but it would so be worth it...

[Clay]

I'm not sure why ...

blah funny story blah

After that anytime someone insists that chests need to be diploed, waters can be put in whenever, you don't need the runes for Tempest's Spine, or if we all arrange ourselves in a pentagram formation at the end fight of Eyes of Stone, the Medusa explodes, I do not hesitate to viscously pimp smack them back onto their street corner.

lol! +1

[smithtj3]

Like in every VON 6 there is always at least one guy that has to point out that he can do a base on his own and dosent need any help . ( every single time I have run this someone has piped up with this )
So the leader assigns groups and he just has to point out that he dosent need help on his base . Like for some reason 9 people should just stay at the plate while 3 ubers go and clear a base each . Sure you can do it that way , but its far easier and simpler if you all have back up .

/signed

"Thanks for accepting my join request, I will now inform all of you at length on how I can solo this, in so far as I receive every buff I desire and constant healing. I SAID EXTENDED MERFOLKS BLESSING YOU FOOL!"

You sir, made me die of laughter! Will you be my new friend?

. . . I want to do a quest with you now... I don't think I could do anything but laugh the entire time (wait I might die), but it would so be worth it...

I roll deep on G-town and if that coincidentally is where you call home feel free to PM your character name(s). Though I have to warn you, the min/max gangsters of DDO do not understand joy or laughter as far as I can tell so I've got to keep a low profile most of the time.

[jkm]

is it okay to use a cattle prod on the person with the star if they are content with a 65 minute shroud run?

[unionyes]

There are two things going on here, IMO.

1. The concept of leadership in a PUG.
2. The debate over who is right or who is wrong about the water.

They aren't the same thing. It is entirely possible to complete in the manner that the OP wanted to proceed. It cost the party nothing to do it that way. The only problem, as far as I can see, is that a member of the group wanted to challenge the leaders assertion and be acknowledged as correct.

IMO, the ONLY time anyone should challenge the leader in any serious way is if the leader is insisting on a course of action that will result in non completion of the quest. If they are just being silly, or wanting to do something that isn't harmful but that you believe to be unnecessary, just let it go. Don't get all cranky and start an argument.

This game would be a lot more fun if people realized that there is more than one way to skin a cat. There are usually at least three ways...your way, that other way you know but don't like, and at least one other that you haven't even contemplated.

Sometimes I miss playing with the Chinese guys that used to be all over the server. I had no idea that you could take out Pious and the blackbones in Stormcleave by having someone pop all the blackbones then tank Pious down and around the corner where he could be killed all by himself, mop up the blackbones that follow, and leave the archers. I tried to explain the 'row by row' method to them and they were amazed, never having thought of it before.

[maddmatt70]

is it okay to use a cattle prod on the person with the star if they are content with a 65 minute shroud run?

I would consider dropping group on a 65 minute shroud or afking or something perhaps poking my eyes out. If I were to ever join a pug that wanted to spend forever and a day in the shroud and I could drop group and do 3 shrouds in the time it takes them to do 1 it makes dropping group pretty darn appealing.

[maddmatt70]

Just one more note on Epic Claw of Vulkoor. Killing all the mobs in the entire quest is not advantageous for alot of people. When an lfm is posted that says not killing all mobs and the leader says we are only killing the mobs we have to kill then do not run off like a bonehead and do your own thing.

[cwfergtx]

Who ever creates the party is the leader until he/she gives controls over to someone else. I do not like forming parties since I am not much of a talker with the mic. The leader tells me where to go to to kill or cast spells. I know my role in the Shroud as a caster, cleric and a melee. If asked what I think I tell how I have done things in the past with differences being based on the server I am on. There are just minor diffferences on parts 1 and 2 on Khyber and Ghallanda the two servers I am currently flagged on. But I always assume that thee person that put the party togather is in charge and will give the directions to the rest of the party.

[Zigana]

I roll deep on G-town and if that coincidentally is where you call home feel free to PM your character name(s). Though I have to warn you, the min/max gangsters of DDO do not understand joy or laughter as far as I can tell so I've got to keep a low profile most of the time.

You're totally on the wrong server, hun! Come join the dark sid--I mean Khyber! We have cookies here!