12/6/2 Fighter/Ranger/Bard Works?

[Sleaker]

Was thinking about rolling this, I know the enhancements aren't necessarily taken as early as they could be, wasn't sure what the build would have room for until the end. It's mostly centered around Ranged Attacking, but could also swap for TWFing Khopeshes.
Bard gives some Skills (UMD) and a small Inspire, along with a bit more SP than standard Ranger, but I could easily choose to swap into a different class if someone thought it would be better. would FvS, Sorc, Cleric, Wiz be worth the loss of full UMD ranks?

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Level 20 True Neutral Elf Female
(12 Fighter \ 6 Ranger \ 2 Bard) 
Hit Points: 242
Spell Points: 140 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 18
Will: 9

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 21                   24
Dexterity            18                 18                   22
Constitution         12                 12                   12
Intelligence         12                 12                   12
Wisdom               10                 10                   10
Charisma              8                  8                    8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               8                    10
Bluff                -1                     1
Concentration         5                     7
Diplomacy             3                    23
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                3                     3
Heal                  0                     6
Hide                  4                     6
Intimidate           -1                     1
Jump                  3                     7
Listen                4                     6
Move Silently         4                     6
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               2                     2
Repair                1                     1
Search                1                     3
Spot                  0                    13
Swim                  4                     9
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      3                    22

Level 1 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Dismiss Charm
Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Fascinate
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep
Feat: (Automatic) Inspire Courage
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Longbow
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Longsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Automatic) Bow Strength
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Feat: (Automatic) Wild Empathy


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Automatic) Rapid Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Precise Shot
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency


Level 5 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Diehard
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Construct


Level 8 (Ranger)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Manyshot


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I


Level 10 (Fighter)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Ranged Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack II
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows


Level 13 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Kensei Longbow Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II


Level 14 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Longbow Specialization I


Level 16 (Fighter)


Level 17 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 19 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Ranged Weapons
Enhancement: Kensei Longbow Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II


Level 20 (Bard)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows

[ssgcmwatson]

Personally, I would drop the bard and take either 2 rogue or 2 monk. With the rogue you still get UMD, and add in evasion, more skill points at level 1 (if you take a rogue level first), plus the ability to deal with traps.

With Monk you get evasion and two martial arts feats. (http://ddowiki.com/page/Martial_arts_feats)

[Sleaker]

Personally, I would drop the bard and take either 2 rogue or 2 monk. With the rogue you still get UMD, and add in evasion, more skill points at level 1 (if you take a rogue level first), plus the ability to deal with traps.

With Monk you get evasion and two martial arts feats. (http://ddowiki.com/page/Martial_arts_feats)

Thanks for the input. Couple questions. Is evasion a necessity at the higher levels? I was keeping the bard for some minor leveling ease (I have a tendency to solo lots) but overall you may be right on the rogue deal. I'm not too big a fan of Monk in DDO, but then I haven't played one yet.

The other prob with dropping the bard is having to burn a feat for Mental Toughness, what would you drop to still get into AA, toughness?

I guess if HP isn't an issue then go Rogue and drop Toughness for Mental Toughness, if Monk then I can pickup both and still have an extra feat slot for something else.

Can you use Monk Stances while not centered?

[Lobster5]

I think there are some fundamental problems here, but I can't look to fixing them without a little more info. Therefore I have some questions.

What do you want this build to do?

Are you set on playing an Arcane Archer, if so, why?

Do you have access to 32 point builds? What races/classes are accessible to you?


But the one thing I will say at the moment is that Toughness is mandatory on whatever you build

[PopeJual]

Thanks for the input. Couple questions. Is evasion a necessity at the higher levels?

No. Evasion is absolutely not necessary. There are vast numbers of people who run high level regular and Epic quests on Ftr 20 and Barb 20 and Wiz 20, etc. and they do just fine.

Evasion is very nice to have if you have a good Reflex save. I love having Evasion when I have it. I miss it when I don't have it. It is certainly not necessary, though. In fact, I'd say that not having Evasion would actually make you a better player exactly because your character is more vulnerable and you are forced to be more careful.

[unbongwah]

Is evasion a necessity at the higher levels?

You don't have to have Evasion, any more than you have to have UMD...but it sure is nice to have both!

The other prob with dropping the bard is having to burn a feat for Mental Toughness, what would you drop to still get into AA, toughness?

You can drop GWF; it's not a pre-req for GWS or Kensai II.

Here's my take on the idea: rogue 2 / rgr 6 / ftr 12 AA. I didn't squeeze in the slashing feats you did, but it might give you some ideas for how to tweak your build.

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Level 20 True Neutral Elf Female
(12 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 302
Spell Points: 150 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 18
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    24
Dexterity            17                    22
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         12                    12
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot


Level 2 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness


Level 7 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant


Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Fighter)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Precise Shot


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Precise Shot


Level 13 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Ranged Weapons


Level 14 (Rogue)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Quick Draw


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Ranged Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack II
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage II
Enhancement: Kensei Longbow Mastery I
Enhancement: Kensei Longbow Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Longbow Specialization I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II