a few questions but most importantly greater undead bane vs pure good

[sephiroth1084]

Is this a serious question?
[EDIT] Woo! My first OP-ninja!

[Trillea]

which one is better, especially against red name undeads (1st red name skelly in litany)

let's say you have a holy burst pure good

and a holy burst greater undead bane

which will do better, normal, hard, elite.

math behind this especially welcome or maybe just experience and testing, guess that's more possible.

Holy burst on both weaps = same damage so you are looking at pure good (1d6 vs any non-good) or greater undead bane (3d6+4 to all undead)

GUB is better in all circumstances that you are fighting undead. Pure good is better if you are not.

[minimomo]

which one is better, especially against red name undeads (1st red name skelly in litany)

let's say you have a holy burst pure good

and a holy burst greater undead bane

which will do better, normal, hard, elite.

math behind this especially welcome or maybe just experience and testing, guess that's more possible.

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frost giants are evil and weak against fire i know. but are they lawful, chaotic or neutral? (prey on hunter)

[Xenus_Paradox]

which one is better, especially against red name undeads (1st red name skelly in litany)

let's say you have a holy burst pure good

and a holy burst greater undead bane

which will do better, normal, hard, elite.

math behind this especially welcome or maybe just experience and testing, guess that's more possible.

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frost giants are evil and weak against fire i know. but are they lawful, chaotic or neutral? (prey on hunter)

Chaotic according to PnP. Best way to test it is get a cheap anarchic weapon and a cheap axiomatic weapon and see which one gets an "immune" popup.

[Kourier]

Not lawful. Anarchic weapons do not do chaos damage to giants in prey on the hunter. My guess is neutral evil (Could be chaotic).

[minimomo]

GUB is better in all circumstances that you are fighting undead. Pure good is better if you are not.

i'm confused, is that all that pure good does? 1d6 dmg vs. any nongood? it should also bypass some dr, right?

and that 1st blackguard? redname should have some dr?

so like, if it has, i don't know, totally making up, has 20 dr, then that 3d6+4 to all undead dmg won't help at all ?

[Rawel_San]

Since both of the weapons in your example have holy burst they both bypass any dr /good from the get to
thus the only thing the pure good adds in your example is the 1d6 vs. non good. The skellie in litany has
blunt DR I'm not sure if it also has good dr since all the wepons I've ever tried using against it bypassed it.

Also as a sidenote red named doesn't imply dr. It is true that you're more likely to encounter dr on red nameds but
many red named do not have any DR and lot's of non red nameds have some.

[sephiroth1084]

i'm confused, is that all that pure good does? 1d6 dmg vs. any nongood? it should also bypass some dr, right?

and that 1st blackguard? redname should have some dr?

so like, if it has, i don't know, totally making up, has 20 dr, then that 3d6+4 to all undead dmg won't help at all ?

Holy bypasses all the DR that Pure Good would bypass.

Greater Bane weapons are almost always going to be the best DPS vs. anything they apply against. Greater Banes with a good prefix (Holy Burst is about the best you could hope for vs. most monsters) are actually better DPS than greensteel weapons.

If you have the choice of getting only one of these, I'd say it is a tough choice, and highly dependent upon what content you plan on running a lot of. If it's stuff with undead, I'd take the GUB, and just eat the lost 1d6 vs. everything else.

[minimomo]

Since both of the weapons in your example have holy burst they both bypass any dr /good from the get to
thus the only thing the pure good adds in your example is the 1d6 vs. non good. The skellie in litany has
blunt DR I'm not sure if it also has good dr since all the wepons I've ever tried using against it bypassed it.

lol that's hillarious! how come holy pure good weapons so expensive? (not to criticize you but seriously wondering why)

also what do you mean by "blunt DR" do you mean that skelly has dr against blunt or other way around?

[sephiroth1084]

For damage reduction, the value after the slash (for example DR 5/blunt) indicates what property is required to bypass the DR.

In the case of most skeletons (not the ghostly skeletons in Delera's), they possess DR/blunt. Liches have DR/blunt and magic, zombies DR/slashing, wheeps (I think) DR/piercing. Mummies have DR/-- meaning that nothing bypasses their DR. I think that's it for undead DR values. Personally, I'd prize a bludgeoning undead bane weapon over a slashing, simply because there aren't all that many dangerous zombies in the game, and undead can't be crit anyway (the burst part of Holy Burst still applies on crits, so you lose some of that with a bludgeoning weapon, but you gain more in versatility of use).

[Garbudo]

Pen and Paper always told me the more weapons the better Quick Draw that greater evil outsider bane then drop quick draw that holy burst greater undead bane

But DDO style would be use more than just 1 weapon that is what a hot-bar is for
Just cleared off about 40 weapons all same Weapon type of a toon was getting too technical with silver and combining prefixes and suffixes. Back to end game now holy silver of greater evil outsider bane. Holy burst Greater Undead bane. and of course that Tier III Green Steel. Think I kept a Painter on as well (Improved Destruction)

[Matuse]

lol that's hillarious! how come holy pure good weapons so expensive?

Because it's an extra 3d6 damage against all evil monsters, who comprise the VAST majority of enemies in the game.