You know it is possible to be a haggle bard and not be totally gimped

[werk]

To indirectly answer your question, allow me to say that I have 2 bards...one for haggle, one for questing.

[NaturalHazard]

Im tired of people asking me what my bards haggle skill is and after I tell them they then tell me oh he must be totally gimped at doing anything else and must only pike in groups.

Im supprised at how some people never play a certain class or build or even look at their enhancements and abilities then they think they are experts on how they work.

[Chai]

ROFL

With 23 ranks 15 item and 26 cha + HOGF + GH my WARCHANTER gets a 50 haggle.

He has high 50s low 60s str. As the investment I made into haggle is a low effort investment, I still have all the abilities of any other warchanter + being able to fight.

[NaturalHazard]

ROFL

With 23 ranks 15 item and 26 cha + HOGF + GH my WARCHANTER gets a 50 haggle.

He has high 50s low 60s str. As the investment I made into haggle is a low effort investment, I still have all the abilities of any other warchanter + being able to fight.

Add in ship buffs +2 cha 1, 5 from the dwarf house K buff, and 1 more from house P buff thats 57 haggle.

[brian14]

I have a haggle Virtuoso with one rank as rogue. He holds his own in combat.

OK, he mostly "holds" someone else's in combat. Buffs, crowd control, emergency heals and trapmonkey. But "someone else" is always grateful. And between CC, sneaking, summoning, self-healing and backstabbing, he soloes quite well.

[KillEveryone]

Im tired of people asking me what my bards haggle skill is and after I tell them they then tell me oh he must be totally gimped at doing anything else and must only pike in groups.

Im supprised at how some people never play a certain class or build or even look at their enhancements and abilities then they think they are experts on how they work.

My warchanter for a while was my haggle bard. Then I rolled my haggle bard.

If you don't mind gearing a character and parking them just to buy and sell stuff, you can get a higher haggle but it does take some gimpage because you invest in at least one feat, two if you didn't take Negotiator for Virt, and four haggle enhancements(used to cost more AP to take,) all of which could be better allocated for something else.

[NaturalHazard]

I have a haggle Virtuoso with one rank as rogue. He holds his own in combat.

OK, he mostly "holds" someone else's in combat. Buffs, crowd control, emergency heals and trapmonkey. But "someone else" is always grateful. And between CC, sneaking, summoning, self-healing and backstabbing, he soloes quite well.

Noooo it isnt possible you must put him away and only bring him out to sell and buy stuff you use another bard for your questing.

[NaturalHazard]

My warchanter for a while was my haggle bard. Then I rolled my haggle bard.

If you don't mind gearing a character and parking them just to buy and sell stuff, you can get a higher haggle but it does take some gimpage because you invest in at least one feat, two if you didn't take Negotiator for Virt, and four haggle enhancements(used to cost more AP to take,) all of which could be better allocated for something else.

why not swap out the feats after you have leveled the bard?

[KillEveryone]

why not swap out the feats after you have leveled the bard?

That is what I did when I leveled my Quickymart. I did 20 Shrouds for a tome before swapping feats and enhancements. Saved the feat exchange from Lochanna(sp?) and got a shard for the other feat exchange. Many people don't do that though.

[NaturalHazard]

I havent invested in a feat for haggle yet at the momment all i have invested in haggle is 3 ap into haggle ehancements 3 ap into human action boost, so all up 6 action points, now the loss of those 6 action points makes me completely useless, and only good for singing songs and pikeing? ROFL.

[KillEveryone]

I havent invested in a feat for haggle yet at the momment all i have invested in haggle is 3 ap into haggle ehancements 3 ap into human action boost, so all up 6 action points, now the loss of those 6 action points makes me completely useless, and only good for singing songs and pikeing? ROFL.

It used to cost more to take those AP. It used to be 10 AP to get those haggle enhancements. They are much more cheaper now but a lot of people still have that old thinking attached. Then there are the two feats the a haggle bard will take where you can put something else much better in those slots.

I would, however, rather have a person that is leveling their haggle bard be fully capable at songs, CC, or melee...whichever PRE they are using...than have them with their two feats and the 4 AP for haggle.

If they have their damage and attack portion of their songs maxed first, if they are spell singer then their healing and CC ability capped...the crit portion doesn't need to be...I'd rather have someone with those areas maxed before they add into their haggle and would take the more effective bard before the one that has spent on haggle ability.