Too much forums for me?

[arjiwan]

Greetings DDO Community,

I hope you can add your thoughts regarding this.

I was running Eyes of Stone on hard. The party consists of me as a cleric (alt), tempest elf ranger, pew pew elf ranger, fleshy monk, WF wiz and a WF barb. Healing the 2 WF was kinda hard, I don't think they have healer's friend. I consumed 2 crit cure wands and some heal scrolls ( I am soliciting sympathy I know ). I rarely heal the 2 WFs for the fact that I assumed they can handle it with the reconstruct from the WF wiz.

Now came hestess, with me on full mana, I full combat heal the fleshies with wands, scrolls and RS burst (sometimes SP heal). I am also spamming cometfalls and placing BB's.

Sometimes the two WFs incaps or dies, then I rez them, pop one heal scroll but not healing them to full.

After the "successful" quest, the wiz WF typed in the party chat, "Too bad the cleric wants to play as a wizard rather than healing". I did not answered back. I thought, uhm I am not your nanny, and at the same time, my BB and cometfall with maximise and superior efficacy clickie somewhat helped in dealing damage.

Now I am thinking, am I wrong for not healing the WFs and assuming (and learned from the forums and my own realization) that they should heal themselves because they have the means. I am not asking them to be 100% self-sufficient but at least kinda take care of themselves from time to time.

Wow, sorry for the wall of text. What do you think guys?

Cheers!

PS:
I am having trouble uploading in photobucket, so...
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[Lifeblood]

As a cleric you are usually expected to heal all in the party unless otherwise stated
If you don't heal WF you need to tell the the grp up front.

there is no reason you should not heal WF esp if you have access to heal/heal scroll
don't tell me your poor.. I have several clerics and they make plenty of plat to keep them selves
stocked with such things

wf wiz should be taking care of their own healing and helping out where they can but personally I would rather they nuke and cc mobs

[shortdevils]

The Wf wiz should require Very minimal healing and also almost all Wf wiz i have run with ( when on my cleric.) offer to heal any other Wf in the party. If its a fleshie, not as much but if they dont offer to help, i ask them too.

For some reason though i be seeing some non self sefficient Wf wiz Lately. Which is a paradox really.

Now to ur question , keeping everyone alive is important for clerics. How u do this ( CC, Nuking , healing etc) is of personal preference.so no you are not wrong for nuking but You shouldnt expect a wf barb to be really self sufficient, (not saying they cant be) you should heal at least the barb. Like i said wf wiz shouldnt need a divine to nanny for them , isnt that the whole point of being a robotic nerd?( yes for Rp purposes i consider wizzies to be nerds.)

You should heal everyone though. Cant be divine and not expect to be asked for heals even by nuts and bolts.

[hcarr]

**Should of discussed it first with the party members. Just don't assume.**

On my wf wiz I watch and try to heal myself as much as possible mainly because I do stupid things and take alot more damage than I should. I do try to help out with other wf in party by topping them off and hitting the with a reconstruct but I dont look to be 100% responsible for other wf in the party unless asked to do so. Its a different mindset for me to pay that much closer attention to the red bars than the mobs on the screen. Sometimes I even get tunnel vision on what im trying to do on my caster that I greatly appreciate being bailed out by the divine healer. Many players go arcane caster because the dont want to heal or look to heal or be responsible for others in the party but like spells.

[arjiwan]

As a cleric you are usually expected to heal all in the party unless otherwise stated
If you don't heal WF you need to tell the the grp up front.

there is no reason you should not heal WF esp if you have access to heal/heal scroll
don't tell me your poor.. I have several clerics and they make plenty of plat to keep them selves
stocked with such things

First, I did not say I don't want to heal the WF at all. I think it is somewhere there in my wall-o-text that I "rarely", but not "not at all".
Second, I did not say I am poor, the sympathy thingy is about, "I used resources so I the good guy" humor. You said you have several clerics, I don't have several clerics, and I am a casual player also, but not complaining that I am using plat to heal nor asking for a donation.
Third, my title was too much forums for me? The idea of cleric's job is to only heal, I think it is pointed many times in this forum, and also for Arcane WF to heal themselves and the self-sufficient blah blah in this forums. How about that?

The Wf wiz should require Very minimal healing and also almost all Wf wiz i have run with ( when on my cleric.) offer to heal any other Wf in the party. If its a fleshie, not as much but if they dont offer to help, i ask them too.

For some reason though i be seeing some non self sefficient Wf wiz Lately. Which is a paradox really.

Now to ur question , keeping everyone alive is important for clerics. How u do this ( CC, Nuking , healing etc) is of personal preference.so no you are not wrong for nuking but You shouldnt expect a wf barb to be really self sufficient, (not saying they cant be) you should heal at least the barb. Like i said wf wiz shouldnt need a divine to nanny for them , thats the whole point isnt it?

Yes that is my point really, the one who complained was the WF wizard. Dude, he has a lot of SP to heal himself. I am also keeping the WF barb alive.

[arjiwan]

**Should of discussed it first with the party members. Just don't assume.**

On my wf wiz I watch and try to heal myself as much as possible mainly because I do stupid things and take alot more damage than I should. I do try to help out with other wf in party by topping them off and hitting the with a reconstruct but I dont look to be 100% responsible for other wf in the party unless asked to do so. Its a different mindset for me to pay that much closer attention to the red bars than the mobs on the screen. Sometimes I even get tunnel vision on what im trying to do on my caster that I greatly appreciate being bailed out by the divine healer. Many players go arcane caster because the dont want to heal or look to heal or be responsible for others in the party but like spells.

I did not assume to give a "no heal to warforged". I was combat healing them, and keeping them alive. 6 party members, I can heal all of them if they are all fleshies. But with an arcane warforged with no healer's friend? Do I need to discuss up front with the party members, "hey arcane warforged, heal yourself from time to time ok?".

[foose07]

Well here's what I think being a WF Wizard. I never expect to get healed as I'm fully self sufficient, and if there's another WF in the party regardless of any class that needs repair, I would just cast it. I think if you wanna be a WF meele you should at least bring Repair Pots and have to have healer's friend.

In your situation I would just heal the tank, about the wizard? Just when it is required, when they get knocked down or stunned.

[Senshock]

...... I am not your nanny........

Just say something like this upfront when joining the party perhaps...? Clerics are stereotyped into healers only, so might help to clarify your play style especially to other divine/arcane WF

[Zharfie]

most (inexperienced) WF wizards I've ran with have no idea how to heal others, and sometimes even themselves...

I can understand not healing others a lot, I did play a (non-WF, but still) wizard for almost a year and I healed a WF tank maybe twice in that time... I was certainly not good at it, being my first healing experiences ever...

I wouldn't expect the WF wizards to even notice the WF tanks around unless asked to help with healing them too. On a low/mid level cleric it's difficult to heal the WF that are not your friends.

There are times when even a WF wizard needs help healing himself but those are relatively rare and I'd say something has usually gone very much wrong if that is the case.

Healing others requires a different kind of mindset that even a lot of level 20 clerics don't have. It took me a while to develop and I still find playing my healbot really boring, I much more prefer my much more active melee favoured soul but I can still keep an eye on others

[bryanmeerkat]

If the WF wizard is dying with a blue bar its because they are a terrible player , the barb id keep an eye on whilst strafing my bladebarrier but a WF wizard that dies only has himself to blame .

[Hihiirokane]

1. A WF Wiz that cannot self heal almost defeats the purpose of taking WF above a race like Human or Drow (who have the advantage of the extra INT/CHA). In other words; those are poorly built or poorly played characters, who either need advise or a kick in the butt.

2. Every, yes every class should have and bring some sort of self-healing. Even if only for certain 'what-if' situations. If they don't, I personally have a lot of trouble with people who blame the cleric for not keeping them topped.

3. That said, healing in most DDO quests falls upon the healer only/mostly during combat situations. Outside of combat, people can and/or should (depends on how you want to play this game ofc) be able to top themselves off.

Conclusion: good communication always helps alot: tell your group members what you expect from them. If they continue to fail, safe to conclude they lack knowledge or skill and you are not to blame for their deaths.

[bigolbear]

The barb in this case deserves and needed your attention as well as the attention of the wf arcane.

The WF arcane should have been repairing them selves.

many folks forget that arcanes dont always fully spec for repair spells, even some wf casters. Add to that that empower and maximise dont effect reconstruct and the strange fact is that a cleric (especialy RS) can usualy land bigger heals on a warforge than a fully repair specced arcane.

I have played 2 clerics, a fvs and 2 wf arcanes among many other chars and my observations on these points are that many clerics get agnsty when they see a red bar drop below 50%. On my wf arcanes I tend to play it close to the line because with quickened reconstruct i can. There have been more than a few times when clerics will heal my arcanes before i would choose to - its not that im not watching my health its that I only want to cast that reconstruct when i need to.

On my clerics my general rule when dealing with warforge meles is heal them and use big heals. when dealing with wf arcanes they get my dv but wont get any heals unless they ask or they are incapacitated in some way (tripped, held etc)

When dealing with a group that contains both wf arcanes and wf meles unless the wf arcane states explicitely that they want to repair the meles I will folow my general rules.

The only real exception to this is in quests where the arcanes spells are much more effective then the clerics - such as undead heavy quests. in those circumstances its beter to heal the caster to save them mana, but let them know and always discuss tactics first.

[Lifeblood]

Sometimes the two WFs incaps or dies, then I rez them, pop one heal scroll but not healing them to full.

heal or get off the pot....you asked to be a healer. that is the role you took in the party..unless you discuss otherwise with your party members you are the primary healer

if you are not a healer and prefer to fight either with wep or spells you need to pass that information on to your party members also ... play the way you want but understand when you join a grp or start a group as a cleric YOU are the healer unless stated otherwise

[pHo3nix]

I have played 2 clerics, a fvs and 2 wf arcanes among many other chars and my observations on these points are that many clerics get agnsty when they see a red bar drop below 50%. On my wf arcanes I tend to play it close to the line because with quickened reconstruct i can. There have been more than a few times when clerics will heal my arcanes before i would choose to - its not that im not watching my health its that I only want to cast that reconstruct when i need to.

Yes, this happens a lot: they heal my wf wiz or sorc when i'm at 50%, even though i state them to not waste their spell points on me cause i'm not really "healer's friendly"

On my fvs i never heal wf casters, except if they are knocked down or stunned..as a poster above said if a wf caster or a cleric/fvs die when his blue bar is not empty that's only their fault

[bryanmeerkat]

heal or get off the pot....you asked to be a healer. that is the role you took in the party..unless you discuss otherwise with your party members you are the primary healer

if you are not a healer and prefer to fight either with wep or spells you need to pass that information on to your party members also ... play the way you want but understand when you join a grp or start a group as a cleric YOU are the healer unless stated otherwise

When you roll a mage are you automatically the healer for all warforged ?

[arjiwan]

heal or get off the pot....you asked to be a healer. that is the role you took in the party..unless you discuss otherwise with your party members you are the primary healer

if you are not a healer and prefer to fight either with wep or spells you need to pass that information on to your party members also ... play the way you want but understand when you join a grp or start a group as a cleric YOU are the healer unless stated otherwise

My good Sir,

I really understand what you are trying to say from the very beginning. I don't really know if you are reading my comments though.

I am not complaining for the role I took, I really do love supporting / healing. I even use all of my non-sp resources to heal (again, I am not telling you I am poor).

My two points:
1. Arcane warforged
2. No healers friend

The thing here is, what I've learned / read / realized in these forums (hence the question in my title):
1. what a WF arcane is capable of.
2. a cleric that the only role is a healer is what? a healbot?

While I was spamming my cometfall and placing my BB's on strategic location, I didn't leave my role as a healer because no fleshie died, because there is no penalty healing them while I am having a hard time keeping the arcane WF alive. Do I really need to tell them up front? "Hey WF, you can heal yourself when all hell breaks lose"

[bryanmeerkat]

"Hey WF, you can heal yourself when all hell breaks lose"

Yep , then you can tell fleshies that there are things called healing potions that they can use in between fights to help conserve the clerics spell points , (they really dont like that )

[Hihiirokane]

To be fairly honest, it makes more sense to me for a person to top themselves off when a cleric is otherwise forced to chug pots or use scrolls to heal them. That is; out of combat.

Whether you like that or not, fair's fair. It's your red bar, right?

[bryanmeerkat]

To be fairly honest, it makes more sense to me for a person to top themselves off when a cleric is otherwise forced to chug pots or use scrolls to heal them. That is; out of combat.

Whether you like that or not, fair's fair. It's your red bar, right?

100% behind you on that but generally the amount of fighters you see who will stand next to you out of combat jumping up and down with adhd waiting for the cleric to snuggle them into the bossom of healing .
Generally when running as Fvs it aint too much of a bother but on a cleric sometimes it can be a real annoyance .

[Lifeblood]

When you roll a mage are you automatically the healer for all warforged ?

*** is this..clerics only heal fleshies and only wizs heal wf....not going to get far with that attitude. a good cleric can heal any class/race once they get the heal spell/scroll

The Op took a role in a grp as a healer and then decided to do ha half assed job in healing the wf

unless you state otherwise when you join a grp as a healer you freaking heal..i don't care if your comet fall and bb can clear the room of mobs ...personally if you cant do both you need to reroll

Clerics are very strong characters to play and to decide you don't like to heal wf (i personally cant stand them) or don't feel its your job because there is an arcane in the grp is bull schlacka

instead of the op asking the wiz to help out with heals on the wf...he comes here and asks if he is wrong for not healing the wf....I say yes you are wrong for not healing them because you did not state otherwise at the beginning of the quest


yes wf wiz can heal themselves and should the op should have asked why he was not doing so

even so the wf barb is OPs responsibility unless other wise stated