New Guild Policy- any input is appreciated

[Mattat]

Raids that absolutely require a healer to drink a pot will require a payment of 1,000PP upon acceptance to the group to be used for healing scrolls, pots, fix mass newb! Pugs do not get in unless they pay!

The person with the star is required to collect the funds and distribute said funds to required healers at the end of the quest, even if that person passes the star!

If a wipe occurs, funds will be collected again if pots were used.

If caster has to drink pots to complete the raid, said caster will not be responsible for the 1,000PP and will receive a share of the funds.
a. If caster drops 84 firewalls when 14 are needed, we will make fun of you and not give you any caching.

Raids/Quests that fit in the above mentioned;
ToD
Epic Chronoscope
Some Epic quests

[Mattat]

it seems to me if people are not takin care of their guild healers its a recruiting issue. If youre charging for running something then you'd better be the only one in DDO who can run it or run it solo and let everyone pike. imo

[lastresort]

what guild is this?

why would you want to run with a group that you need to pay to run with them?
i would leave the guild if i started to be charged for joining a raid. evan if it is only 1kpp

[Memnir]

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[schwall420]

Sounds lame. I feel like we already paid/pay enough to play this game. If you can find people who agree with that, then more power to them...I guess.

[Garbudo]

You Drink a Potion Because, You do not want to fail a raid/Waste an hour of time.
IMO it is greed that keeps people from using these potions.

IMO= In my Opinion

That is All

[SmashBang]

my Feedback Is This.... If You Want This To Be A Policy For Your Guildmates, Fine. That Is Between You And Your Guildies, And If They Find It Acceptable Then That's Fine For You As A Collective Entity.

But, If You Want To Force A Door-charge On Me As A Puger, I'll Just Drop Group And Find Another. I Have No Problems Kicking In For Consumables After The Raid - But As An Up-front Fee I Find It Distasteful. Expect This To Be Unpopular.

+1

[Cauthey]

Sounds like you might have difficulty ratifying/enforcing that one. Instead, why not just encourage your guild members to make donations of wands, scrolls, platinum, etc., to the healers that participate in your raids?

[Mattat]

yes agreed. Once again, everyone should take care of their healers. Thats not the issue, as I caster i rarely use the Major pots that end up in my inventory, i give them to my healers, and i use my baubles and trinkets. i watch sp and ill give a cleric a pot for a bad flaggin quest even, or for doing a good job in a no pot situation. TAKE CARE OF YOUR HEALERS!! My point is this- if you need to institute a pay for play raid policy because the healers are goin broke then , to me, the issue lies in individuals not takin care of the healers.And taxing not only guildies but PUGs also to run up front is a mistake. If it isnt just about greed then there is a better solution. IMO
For instance- Epic Chrono can be trying, so we set up a Chrono Pot Fund and have guildies donate majors. then from that pile we pay out healers IN a bad situation. Hows that sound?

[herzkos]

Raids that absolutely require a healer to drink a pot will require a payment of 1,000PP upon acceptance to the group to be used for healing scrolls, pots, fix mass newb! Pugs do not get in unless they pay!

The person with the star is required to collect the funds and distribute said funds to required healers at the end of the quest, even if that person passes the star!

If a wipe occurs, funds will be collected again if pots were used.

If caster has to drink pots to complete the raid, said caster will not be responsible for the 1,000PP and will receive a share of the funds.
a. If caster drops 84 firewalls when 14 are needed, we will make fun of you and not give you any caching.

Raids/Quests that fit in the above mentioned;
ToD
Epic Chronoscope
Some Epic quests

which guild is this? a pm is fine, just lemme know so i can avoid when playing on orien, thanks.

[Mattat]

sry herz, im doin my best to keep the guild name out of it in hopes that this gets rectified.
Im not here to burn the guild, its a great guild, save a few minor faults.In fact we've made mistakes before and fixed them. This post is to get the big picture. From what Ive gathered Im not the only one who feels ultimately that this will cost us rep and good players, and I cant stand by and let that happen. Im not even an officer, but Ive been with this guild since the day they started, its my home. I dont want the idiom to change, its the people that make the guild, and not the other way around. TY all

[ZealotBlade]

sry herz, im doin my best to keep the guild name out of it in hopes that this gets rectified.
Im not here to burn the guild, its a great guild, save a few minor faults.In fact we've made mistakes before and fixed them. This post is to get the big picture. From what Ive gathered Im not the only one who feels ultimately that this will cost us rep and good players, and I cant stand by and let that happen. Im not even an officer, but Ive been with this guild since the day they started, its my home. I dont want the idiom to change, its the people that make the guild, and not the other way around. TY all

Alright, so if I'm understanding correctly, you are a member of guild X.
Guild X is planning on introducing the policy you outlined in your first post.
You as a long term member of this guild are heading to the forums to seek advice and suggestions on a better way to implement said policy.

Assuming those points are true, then I'm not sure how productive your thread is going to be. Since we don't know the actual name of the guild in question, or it's members it's hard to make any serious comments about your raiding plan. A more productive way to go about it may be to try and pm leaders of the big raid focused guilds and see how they keep everything going. Then, take that information and use it to develop a more effective plan that your guild can agree on.

Now with that said, any guild plan that forces a payment before each raid, is unlikely to go over well. Rather, you should be encouraging fellow guild members to donate any spare pots they have, or plat for scrolls, ect...

[squeek1984]

I play a non healer: Can I have plats to fund my GS items? I mean, the +45hp for example from a hp item would be greatly beneficial to raids I join. And the MIN2/Lit2 weapon would also help the party beat down bosses and mobs alike much faster. Oh, and I need plats to fund my tome addiction. And my friends 'The Pugs' need any Hearts Of Wood the party comes across to fix the infinity build mistakes they made to LR/GR/TR so they don't have 250hp at level 20.

Where would you draw the line? Just mana pots? Just blue bars?

Every class has its costs. While Mana pots are a little overpriced on the AH (at least on Orien), theres no reason why I would ever feel obliged to give them to healers. Especially in PUGs where you don't know if the healer poorly built/geared his or her character. If I feel that people are doing an exceptional job, AND I have the spare spots kicking around, then I'll toss you some.

[Crann]

Can I have plats to fund my GS items? I mean, the +45hp for example from a hp item would be greatly beneficial to raids I join. And the MIN2/Lit2 weapon would also help the party beat down bosses and mobs alike much faster.

+1 QFT.

(X Base mats + 12 smalls + 12 mediums + 24 larges) x 4 swords(2 minII and 2 LitII)

Wondering what a price tag for all those materials would add up to. Add that to having a weapon for every occasion (2 vorpals/smiters/disruptors/banishers/and a pair of banes for every boss) Then compare that to the cost of Pots.

As alot of others have posted, if you rely that heavily on pots, then something is wrong.

In the grand scheme of things, my healers are very much in the black on my virtual spreadsheet of character "costs."

[Eladiun]

Raids that absolutely require a healer to drink a pot will require a payment of 1,000PP upon acceptance to the group to be used for healing scrolls, pots, fix mass newb! Pugs do not get in unless they pay!

The person with the star is required to collect the funds and distribute said funds to required healers at the end of the quest, even if that person passes the star!

If a wipe occurs, funds will be collected again if pots were used.

If caster has to drink pots to complete the raid, said caster will not be responsible for the 1,000PP and will receive a share of the funds.
a. If caster drops 84 firewalls when 14 are needed, we will make fun of you and not give you any caching.

Raids/Quests that fit in the above mentioned;
ToD
Epic Chronoscope
Some Epic quests

There are no raids that absolutely require a healer to drink a pot.

[MalikiGoddess]

I don't play on Orien, but I know that on Ghallanda I am amazed if I ever get a pot donation from a non-guildy. Hence, why you see less and less healers joining PUGs and more and more PUGs failing. The good healers got sick of being poor trying to keep up with healing PUGs and were retired to the good life aka Guild only Runs.

[Carpone]

Raids that absolutely require a healer to drink a pot will require a payment of 1,000PP upon acceptance to the group to be used for healing scrolls, pots, fix mass newb! Pugs do not get in unless they pay!

Raids/Quests that fit in the above mentioned;
ToD
Epic Chronoscope
Some Epic quests

ToD elite with Suulo optional is the only raid where healers need to use consumables. Without the optional, you definitely don't need to use consumables, even on elite.

The only epic that may require consumable usage is eADQ because it has a ******** amount of trash and only one shrine.

If you're a healer and constantly have to chug mana pots, find better people to play with. Well built and well geared DPS toons relieve healers of the consumable burden.

[Therigar]

Raids that absolutely require a healer to drink a pot will require a payment of 1,000PP upon acceptance to the group to be used for healing scrolls, pots, fix mass newb!

Well, since there are no quests that absolutely require a healer to drink a potion then we're all safe.

BTW, what guild so that I know who not to run with. Or, maybe you can collect for my characters too to pay for repair bills, healing potions and wands used when your healer is futzing about trying to figure out how to conserve spell points and use them wisely, etc.

I know, how about I pay myself to join your raids that way we're even from the git go.

[elg582]

I'm in this guild, and I figure it's OK: I'll pay 1kpp for those 3 raids, then I'll sell my major SP pots to our healers for 10kpp each, instead of just donating them like I did before.

Granted, this will probably destroy the guild, but if they're going to be greedy, then so am I, and then what's the point of having a guild?

Anyone recruiting?

[Mattat]

Wow, great input. i plan pming the raid guilds as was suggested, but in the meantime I think taking over donations and keeping track of who donates and who doesnt is the best decision. this may change if it becomes too much to manage, but ive spoken with my guild leader and will put it to vote at next officers meeting. this way were not charging (blech) for raiding nor taxing those who already do the right thing.
We'll see how it goes, hopefullyits as easy as it sounds.

All this being said, everyone makes mistakes, so please dont hate my guild for a bad choice. The problem of guildies not takin care of healers after bad runs is an issue so I understand putting a policy in play to address it. We just miscued Thanks for your help toward a constructive outcome.