Suggested change to BTC items

[Thuldorn]

I was on a VoD raid yesterday with my Rogue, hoping foir some goggles. Low and behold on opening the chest I get...Gloves of the Glacier! Totally unusable for me. I put them up for roll and the only Arcane already had them and nobody wanted to roll on them. Now I have a Sorcerer that would love to have them, but they're BTC so my only option is to hang on to them till I TR as an arcane (if I do) or sell them to a vendor.

Why not make items like this Bound to Account on acquire and Bound to Character on equip?

Sure there would be less rolling for items, but I've read plenty of complaints about people not putting things up for roll even when their toon can't use it so that shouldn't be a consideration.

[articwarrior]

because then people wont allow rolls on anything, it will allow lower level toons to get high end content-imagine getting a ToD set on a fresh lvl 18-game breaking

/not signed

[Memnir]

No thank you.

[DrNuegebauer]

But I gotz lutz I can't uze?

[h4x0r1f1c]

/not signed

Say I'm in a DQ and I want a Torc and some melee gets it..

"OH THIS'LL BE GREAT FOR MY CASTER!"

I miss out. /notsigned again.

[Sirea]

No.

And just to cover all the other threads that'll pop up begging for this easy button this year:

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[Ravoc-DDO]

because then people wont allow rolls on anything, it will allow lower level toons to get high end content-imagine getting a ToD set on a fresh lvl 18-game breaking

/not signed

I don't think so tbh. When items become bta, players will actually put items up for roll more in the long term, because they'll have it faster on their account. And I really don't see the issue with a toon-transferrable ToD set (non-upgraded that is) if you've earned em before yourself.

The major drawback I would see with this, is that raids get run less as players would no longer need to regrind stuff again for each and every toon.

[Impaqt]

No. Raid loot should be used by the character that gets it. Period.

GLoves can be used by arcanes and divines equally. Even my bard carries Maximize and could use those gloves.

If everyone had them already, oh well.

[Bloodhaven]

I would like it if all BTC items were changed to BTA and BTC was abolished altogether.

BTC prevents people from bringing the most useful toon to a raid as opposed to the one that needs the item.

I only tun TOD on my ranger because he needs the tempest ring. I have several healers/kiters that can run TOD but I need the ring on my ranger so I run him.


Same can be said of all raids.

[Bloodhaven]

The major drawback I would see with this, is that raids get run less as players would no longer need to regrind stuff again for each and every toon.

People will still run them for tomes and random loot. But mostly for tomes.

[Sirea]

I would like it if all BTC items were changed to BTA and BTC was abolished altogether.

BTC prevents people from bringing the most useful toon to a raid as opposed to the one that needs the item.

I only tun TOD on my ranger because he needs the tempest ring. I have several healers/kiters that can run TOD but I need the ring on my ranger so I run him.


Same can be said of all raids.

How is a Tempest not useful in ToD? Couldn't you just run your other toons while the ranger is on timer?

[Thuldorn]

No. Raid loot should be used by the character that gets it. Period.

GLoves can be used by arcanes and divines equally. Even my bard carries Maximize and could use those gloves.

If everyone had them already, oh well.

Except in my case I got them on my pure ROGUE, totally useless. And I did put them up for roll, for some reason none of the casters (any variety) wanted to roll on them.

[Sirea]

Except in my case I got them on my pure ROGUE, totally useless. And I did put them up for roll, for some reason none of the casters (any variety) wanted to roll on them.

OK, then it becomes vendor trash, AKA, more money in your pocket. More money is not useless

The Gloves drop fairly regularly anyways. It's the Bracers that are the valuable part of that set.

[Thuldorn]

How is a Tempest not useful in ToD? Couldn't you just run your other toons while the ranger is on timer?

For me the situation is this. I have a sorcerer, it seems whenever I run VoD with him that gaurantees Tharnes googles drop (whihc I want for my Rogue) and whenever I run my Rogue Gloves of the Glacier drop (which I want for my Sorc). In the last run on my rogue I just happened to be the one to have the gloves in the chest.

So from a frustration standpoint (i.e. minimizing mine) I've considered simply running only my Rogue till I get the googles before running the Sorc in there again (I need the goggles on the rogue more than the gloves on the Sorc).

[Gorbadoc]

Now hang on a minute. There are items that bind to account on acquire. There are items that bind to character on equip. I think there might even already be items that bind to account on acquire, then to character on equip. None of these has broken the game.

And, heck, we do have instances of BTC drops changing to BTA drops. I still have a half dozen BTC Visors of the Flesh Render Guards on various characters, though all new Visors are BTA.

The question is, does this make the game better? In the case of Flesh Render goggles, I tend to think, yes, it makes the game better. There's enough level 3-7 content now that it's a pointless annoyance to have to run EVERY non-divine character I build through Tangleroot for goggles; let the quest's popularity be based on how fun it is, not on how important its loot is. Besides, while the goggles are a huge convenience, they don't make a build noticeably stronger.

In the case of Gloves of the Glacier, though, others have already pointed out that 1) the items DO make builds noticeably stronger, and 2) the change does hurt players who aren't passing items between five characters. So we have a reason NOT to want this change implemented.

As for reasons to implement this change-- the OP hasn't suggested any. The change would remove an inconvenience which is working as intended. That's not really an argument; it's inconvenient that I have to run quests for XP, and yet I wouldn't suggest that I should be able to level up at will.

If this change were to remove an inconvenience and do so in a way that makes the game more fun, then we would have reason to talk. Until then, /notsigned.

[JohnWarlock]

See that's the point exactly, if people where motivated to run other toons in raids, not just the one they NEED to run stuff with.

and what is all this overpowered stuff, if the item is set to a level, it is not over powered. Overpowered would be to have a level 1 using a ToD set, if you are level 18, you are not over powered by getting said item.

I keep insisting people whine and complain about making raid items bta, rather than btc, it makes no sense why you complain. There are power raiders and casual raiders, there will be a time when power raiders will have everything they need, I already know a couple, they don't stop running raids, tomes are too good to pass on. Only places to get +3 and +4 tomes are raids. So saying people will stop running raids is a ridiculous statement, unless they are not interested in tome raiding. However if someone has a full set of +4 tomes on their character yes I see them not wanting to raid with that character anymore. However if you make tomes BTA, along with everything else. There is no reason why people shouldn't be running stuff.

But no people yell easy button, what the hell is so easy about running a raid with characters that can't get into groups, and I say this for casters in most raids. You won't see 3-4 casters in a shroud/vod/tod.

Why not let people have that advantage to move stuff to other characters. Besides in the end, if it is not affecting you, why cry over something. You think it's too overpowered. Fine when you loot an item that you char can't use put it up for roll. There problem solved. If not I will start encouraging people to take the items and not put it up for rolls until items become BTA, rather than BTC.

That would solve alot of problems and complaining.

[Gorbadoc]

Why not let people have that advantage to move stuff to other characters. Besides in the end, if it is not affecting you, why cry over something. You think it's too overpowered. Fine when you loot an item that you char can't use put it up for roll. There problem solved. If not I will start encouraging people to take the items and not put it up for rolls until items become BTA, rather than BTC.

That would solve alot of problems and complaining.

So, you being mean to people would solve problems and reduce complaining? I understand the concept of civil disobedience as a means to effect social change, but this idea of yours seems like a stretch.

[Kinerd]

Raid loot should be used by the character that gets it.

Why?

[Uska]

NO it would put a near end to loot sharing in raids this topic keeps coming up I wish people would search and see it isnt a popular idea

[Uska]

I would like it if all BTC items were changed to BTA and BTC was abolished altogether.

BTC prevents people from bringing the most useful toon to a raid as opposed to the one that needs the item.

I only tun TOD on my ranger because he needs the tempest ring. I have several healers/kiters that can run TOD but I need the ring on my ranger so I run him.


Same can be said of all raids.

umm your ranger can only run it once every 3 days whats stopping from running your other characters those days he is on timer