Completionist Duo

[Garix]

Hi all,

Just starting to plan out a completionist path for the Wife and I. For the final pairing were looking at Pure WF Monk and Sorc.

That’s the easy bit.

Trying to figure out the best combination of characters to get there though is giving me a headache

So asking for a little help.

How would you go about assigning the which class to which life?

With the first 2 lives being the simplest I'm inclined to look at getting Rogue out of the way. Possibly Rogue + Barb then Fighter + Rogue. Good idea? Terrible idea? (Note - I'm not knocking Rogues, its just doing it as a duo reduces the opportunities for sneak attack)

Any Class (Multi or Pure) and Race combination welcomed.

Except Halflings. Hate the squeak!

And possibly Drow. Not a fan of purple looking characters Though will consider them if necessary.

Current plan



1 Rogue+Figher
2 Figher+Rogue
3 Barb+Bard
4 Bard+Barb
5 Paladin+FVS
6 Sorc+Monk
7 FVS+Paladin
8 Cleric+Cleric
9 Ranger+WIzard
10 Wizard+Ranger
11 Monk+Sorc
Fairly sure there's a better way of doing it.

This isn't about character power. Only raid loot that will be available will be from Reavors/DQ. Not going to be doing 20 raids with each character. Run to 20 then TR. Well, amble to 20 then TR Levelling has been known to take us a while

To be fair Turbine will probably added new character classes before we get anywhere near the target, but it's always fun to have a goal

Any help/advice/no god no don’t do it comments very welcome

Thanks in advance

TL;DR version
Plan me a levelling guide for a duo completionist characters.

Please

[Thucydides04]

Hi all,

Just starting to plan out a completionist path for the Wife and I. For the final pairing were looking at Pure WF Monk and Sorc.

That’s the easy bit.

Trying to figure out the best combination of characters to get there though is giving me a headache

So asking for a little help.

How would you go about assigning the which class to which life?

With the first 2 lives being the simplest I'm inclined to look at getting Rogue out of the way. Possibly Rogue + Barb then Fighter + Rogue. Good idea? Terrible idea? (Note - I'm not knocking Rogues, its just doing it as a duo reduces the opportunities for sneak attack)

Any Class (Multi or Pure) and Race combination welcomed.

Except Halflings. Hate the squeak!

And possibly Drow. Not a fan of purple looking characters Though will consider them if necessary.

Current plan



1 Rogue+Figher
2 Figher+Rogue
3 Barb+Bard
4 Bard+Barb
5 Paladin+FVS
6 Sorc+Monk
7 FVS+Paladin
8 Cleric+Cleric
9 Ranger+WIzard
10 Wizard+Ranger
11 Monk+Sorc
Fairly sure there's a better way of doing it.

This isn't about character power. Only raid loot that will be available will be from Reavors/DQ. Not going to be doing 20 raids with each character. Run to 20 then TR. Well, amble to 20 then TR Levelling has been known to take us a while

To be fair Turbine will probably added new character classes before we get anywhere near the target, but it's always fun to have a goal

Any help/advice/no god no don’t do it comments very welcome

Thanks in advance

TL;DR version
Plan me a levelling guide for a duo completionist characters.

Please

I hate leveling Barbs... they are mana sponges, esp. w/o the right gear.

Try choosing complementary classes as you go and remember that arcanes can repair wf. Here is the way I would do it

Barb(wf) - Wiz(wf)
Wiz(wf) - Barb (wf)
Ftr (wf) - Sorc(wf)
Sorc(wf) - Ftr(wf)
Pal - Rgr
Rgr - Pal
Mnk -Clr
Clr - Mnk
Rog - Brd
Brd - Rog
FVS - FvS

Other classes can be w/e race you want. Make sure one of you is splashing rogue so you can get trap bonuses.

[Nospheratus]

This is actually a good idea, and here are my thoughts.

Rogue+Paly
Paly+Rogue
Fighter+Bard
Bard+Fighter
FVS+Barb
Barb+FVS
Cleric+Cleric
Ranger+Wizard
Wizard+Ranger
Sorc+Monk
Monk+Sorc

This plan is very similar to yours, except I would chose paly over fighter when pairing with rogue. Paly can heal himself and others very early and can also intimidate! Fighter can only heal himself, and barely, with pots. Rogue can do some healing, but might be hard depending on build. And both paly and fighter can intimi+shield block for the most complicated times. Also, paladin has better saves to hold all mobs while the rogue trashes them...

I paired barbarian with FVS because the barb has very low self healing capabilities and fvs usually has a lot of sps for that, even though cleric would be good as well. In this case, pair fighter with bard. songs+haste+displacement will get you through 90% of all quests! And the bard has excellent healing capabilities!

[Garix]

@Thucydides04
Thanks for the reply but the final pairing I mentioned, Monk+Sorc, is set in stone. Also not sure whats so complimentry about Rog+Bard? Why them?

@Nospheratus
Thanks very much. Like the logic behind the Paly+Rog combo a lot.

Understand the reasoning behind pairing a Barb and FVS, as Thucydides04 said "they are mana sponges, esp. w/o the right gear", but figured that Bard+Barb gives - Haste+Displacement+Songs = Quickly dead Mob. Plus some decent healing on the side

Edit - Reread your post. My reasoning for Barb+Bard works just as well for Bard+Fighter so either would do I guess

Thanks both.

Any more ideas out there?

[Arkadios]

Thought you might like to know to get completionist you have to have all 11 classes as past lives meaning your 12th life is your last, so use his guide and the on their 12th lives go monk+sorc

[Garix]

@ Arkadios. I'm an idiot. Your quite correct

Sorry Thucydides04

[Zharfie]

To fix that, you can start off with the combo you plan to finish in

[Garix]

Will probably just do a Monk/Sorc combination twice at the end.

[Chette]

Currently working on completionist with a buddy of mine also. He got both of his arcane lives completed, and I got my bard life completed before we decided to pair up as completionists. I got a paladin life out of the way next because I wanted the extra healing amp. We're currently on life 3. Our remaining pairings are as follows:

FvS - Paladin
Monk - Rogue
Barbarian - Cleric
Rogue - Bard
Ranger - Ranger
Cleric - Monk
Fighter - FvS
Wizard - Barbarian
Sorc - Fighter

All of the characters in the first column will be fleshy, all of the characters in the second column will be warforged. The fleshy casters will take a bit of finesse, and I'm trying to convince him that monk-monk and cleric-rogue will be better off together, but he's working on a nice survivable rogue build I think.

I think your rogue/fighter pairings might have a little trouble later in the game. We tried to throw something healing capable into each pairing unless the class was going to be basically 100% survivable. Pairing cleric and cleric seems a waste to me. Spread around your healing, also spread around your crowd control. Blade barrier will save you a ton of time.

[Thucydides04]

@Thucydides04
Also not sure whats so complimentry about Rog+Bard?

Nothing really except that bard buffs help the rogue (as well as others) and they are both relatively self sufficient and can run most content in the game together w/o much else.

I suggest using sorc/wiz with barb/ftr because of the ability to keep each other healed and they complement very well. A lot of quests require brute force melee, while others are rlly nice for a caster to zerg. Barbs and fighters also tend to be the least self sufficient classes in the game, esp if you are not geared properly.

[DelScorcho]

Remember also you don't need to go pure class for completionist, you just need to have more levels in that then any other class at cap. After the first few, your builds are likely to have at least 1 splash class just to broaden the usefulness of the two characters. Just remember to make your greensteel as early as you can, as it will be useful through the life of the character, and make you greensteel items on slots that won't be needed for particular lives. Aside from fully tiered items and weapons (go something usable by most classes; think rapiers or longswords not khopeshes). When you hit your leveling stride, you may only get 3 shroud runs per life, so it pays to do it before hand.

For completionist, there are 6 melee and 5 primary spell casting classes. You may want to change the pairings so one of you always has a rogue splash or UMD or healing. 2 of the pairings will have rogue levels. Bards, Wizzies and Rangers make the best splash classes for rogues, so realistically, 8 lives have coverage for rogue skills. Pallys are about the worst class for rogue splashes with rogue skills (no class skills and no skill points), followed by barbs (need to drop out of rage to use rogue skills, although they get a suprising amount of skill points). I'd discourage monk as a rogue splash class, but since you aren't keeping the build, it doesn't matter. Monks have good skill points, but no real reason to invest in int (unless you are going for combat expertise and ac)

Another consideration you may have is the energy resist spell. You can get energy resistence items, but that is an expense you don't need to incur. You can also hit the house P vender, but that is kind of a pain. All 12 lives can be covered by making sure at least one of you is running a wizard, a sorc, a cleric, fvs, ranger or pally per paring.

If one of you is running a caster, I'd recommend one of you run a WF caster and the other run a warforged melee.

[Garix]

Remember also you don't need to go pure class for completionist, you just need to have more levels in that then any other class at cap. After the first few, your builds are likely to have at least 1 splash class just to broaden the usefulness of the two characters. Just remember to make your greensteel as early as you can

Fully agreed on the Multiclassing. Just planning out a few bits at the mo.

A quick note on the bolded part....um....we're just duoing....not a cat in hells chance of completing the shroud! Others can (and do, kudos to them) but we will be ignoring most of the raids..apart from Reavers (is that even still classed as a raid?!) and DQ

You've brought up a couple of other good points so thanks for that

[Gnorbert]

Will probably just do a Monk/Sorc combination twice at the end.

This seems like a good idea because if you see any issues during the first run through of the pairing then you can address it for the final builds... or change your final build plans.

[MalikiGoddess]

Me and my boyfriend were going to attempt this, but I just didnt have the spare time/drive to keep up with it. Here's what we were planning. I would go with these sort of combos..

1. Ranger(Exploiter build18/1 monk/1 rogue) and a Pure Bard
2. Double Paladins (One Imtim build Pure, the other 11 Paladin/9 Monk more healer spec)
3. FvS 18/Monk 2 and Bard-barian (14 Barbarian/6 Bard)
4. Cleric 18/Monk 2 and a Dual Heavy pic Weild Kensai III fighter.
5. WF Monk and a WF Wiz 18/Rogue 2.
6. Double WF Sorcs. One a Tukaw build(Intim/ AC build)and the other WF heal/buff specc'd until higher levels.

[Alektronic]

If you are OK with hirelings, it actually works just as well to duo w/ the same/similar builds. I play with my gf and here are some builds we have duo'd with:

1. tempest + aa
2. cleric evoker + fs melee
3. light monk + dark monk
4. wiz rogue PM + sorc dps
5. virt + WC.

In general, we've found that this works particularly well for some strange reason. As you can see, we DO have different builds that complement each other quite well, but of course we use hirelings. Great idea, and good luck =D.