The Wedding Singer:A Virtouso II protest Build

[AltheaSteelrain]

Inspried by Valindria's Virtouso of the Khopesh and the product of Watching Adam Sandler's "The Wedding singer". Bear with the title.

Because Virtouso II sucks and is practically unplayable except for the link above which is a solid build btw, I decided to make it more "suckier" and pretend to do some things real bards with real guitars and banjos can't do.

Poor virts. Stuck in the basement singing cover songs until they grow old and get a real job (reroll).

This one is a female BTW... I imagined "her" to be the backup singer in the film. You know...

That "dude" with the piano on the left...

http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/ar...235321-000.jpg

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Level 20 Neutral Good Human Female
(8 Barbarian \ 12 Bard) 
Hit Points: 330
Spell Points: 388 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 9
Will: 14

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    24
Dexterity             8                     8
Constitution         16                    18
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             14                    16

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance              -1                     3
Bluff                 2                     3
Concentration         5                    20
Diplomacy             2                     7
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle                2                     3
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                 -1                    -1
Intimidate            6                    31
Jump                  4                     7
Listen               -1                     3
Move Silently        -1                    -1
Open Lock            n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                  35
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     0
Spot                  0                     0
Swim                  4                     7
Tumble                0                     0
Use Magic Device      4                    26

Level 1 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Bard)


Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality


Level 4 (Bard)


Level 5 (Bard)


Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Perform


Level 7 (Bard)


Level 8 (Bard)


Level 9 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 10 (Bard)


Level 11 (Bard)


Level 12 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Bard)


Level 14 (Barbarian)


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 16 (Barbarian)


Level 17 (Barbarian)


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Bullheaded


Level 19 (Barbarian)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song I
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song II
Enhancement: Bard Extra Song III
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III
Enhancement: Bard Virtuoso I
Enhancement: Bard Virtuoso II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate I
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate II
Enhancement: Improved Intimidate III
Enhancement: Improved Perform I
Enhancement: Improved Perform II
Enhancement: Bard Charisma I
Enhancement: Bard Charisma II
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness II

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How to play: Sing, play sustaining Song. Go Rage. Intimidate + Enthrall + Swing. Get caster to cast CC in your fascinated pile of inflated mobs. Repeat.

Dance the caster, dance the ogre. Dance that orthon shooting pew pew at your gimp 6 con rogue that can't understand flanking and tactical playing.

Switch Intimidate Enhancements w/ Music of the Dead/Maker depending on content you are doing. I prefer the generic all purpose route.

I hate switching.

Ran out of rage? No problem! You still do DPS and can UMD/cast spells again.

HP Pots are your friend.

Greataxes and Greensteel not included.

No moneyback guarantee for failed product. You have been warned.

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Intimidate breakdown

23 ranks
3 charisma
3 Enhancements
1 cha tome
1 exceptional charisma
15 item
1 focusing chant
4 greater heroism
5 (6) Greensteel
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56(57) Generic, sustainable Intimidate

Healing Amp (refer to link thread above for other information)

10% DT * 20% DT/epic bracer * 30% Human Recovery * 30% Greensteel*
= 2.2308% Healing Amp

* - I have no idea how to put this on a Two Handed DPS/threat weapon. I want both valid forms of threat generation possible to do on this build so I'll figure it out when I get there or with your help.

HP

330 base
60 +6 Con item
30 GFL
20 Minos
20 +2 Tome
20 Exceptional Con
45 Shroud Item
10 Argo Favor
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535 Unbuffed and generic HP

20 rage spell
40 Rage
40 yugo pots
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635 Buffed HP

Speculated Noob Number Crunching HP

80 Scourge Choker
40 Madstone
10 Superior False Life
20 +7 con item + +1 exceptional Con
20 +3 Con tome + barb con enhancement
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685 HP... in theory.

comments are welcome.

PS: Poor virts.

[bartosy]

hmm i don't know just sustaining song to take care of your hp is a verry risky thing sustaining song just isn't that great, i wouldn't count ont it to heal me out of a paper bag.

I wouldn't say virtuosos suck they got there uses at lvl 1~19 after that it's downhill fast the sustaining song is just lacklucster and doesn't do anything worthwile the capering song start getting blanked immunities and what's left is enthrall wich every bard has the inferior version off wich works just as good.

I'm not a big fan of fop also there arent just a lot of will based spells that makes this feat a good solid choice most spells are reflex of fort based.

Bullheaded i can understand this choice and yea intimidating enemies can be fun and makes you have more versatility but you do need the gear to back it all up as a d6 class with some barb splashes..

and that's where we get to another point you include items like exc cha +1 con +2 scourge choker 2 shroud items +15 intim ring or the epic hyena claw necklace ? both are pretty hard to get i speak from experience.. its a lot of end game gear on this build its true you can get that amount of hp and intimidate but it will take quite a lot of grinding or an excessive amount of $$$

before you're even close to that goal before all that you be running on pots and wands (without wand and scroll mastery thus weak)to heal yourself or that lackluster song.. wich does a half ass job and is unreliable to really count upon once the bursts start comming in.

[bccorrupt817]

I actually like your idea for mc'ing the other 8 lvls of a virtuoso, but I'm not so sure on the barb idea. My spellsinger and warchanter I love the builds and I eventually got back to my virtuoso but he still ended up sitting idle again in the low levels, but I'd love to do some kind of virtuoso build but I can't find anything productive to do with him that the others aren't able to do just as well or better. That many mc'd levels would definitely give him more personal dps than my warchanter/2 rogue though.

What if instead you went with 12 bard virtuoso/6 fighter/2 rogue and with similar stats and THF, but with maybe 2 con moved into 4 int or 1 of str and con moved into 5 int and retaining casting ability?

Anyone have a similar build idea or a link for a dps build w/ 12 virtuoso/something, didn't find much searching the forums.

[AltheaSteelrain]

hmm i don't know just sustaining song to take care of your hp is a verry risky thing sustaining song just isn't that great, i wouldn't count ont it to heal me out of a paper bag.

I wouldn't say virtuosos suck they got there uses at lvl 1~19 after that it's downhill fast the sustaining song is just lacklucster and doesn't do anything worthwile the capering song start getting blanked immunities and what's left is enthrall wich every bard has the inferior version off wich works just as good.

I'm not a big fan of fop also there arent just a lot of will based spells that makes this feat a good solid choice most spells are reflex of fort based.

Bullheaded i can understand this choice and yea intimidating enemies can be fun and makes you have more versatility but you do need the gear to back it all up as a d6 class with some barb splashes..

and that's where we get to another point you include items like exc cha +1 con +2 scourge choker 2 shroud items +15 intim ring or the epic hyena claw necklace ? both are pretty hard to get i speak from experience.. its a lot of end game gear on this build its true you can get that amount of hp and intimidate but it will take quite a lot of grinding or an excessive amount of $$$

before you're even close to that goal before all that you be running on pots and wands (without wand and scroll mastery thus weak)to heal yourself or that lackluster song.. wich does a half ass job and is unreliable to really count upon once the bursts start comming in.

Well the idea is to get enough healing amp (as per the link above w/c is a DPS virtouso by Valindria the healing Amp Fan) to make the songs heal double.

Since you are basically blurred/displaced while raging, you can basically mitigate a lot if incoming damage.

I figure I am going for defensive guards (I.E earthen guard) to mitigate more damage and capitalizing on the scourge choker for more temporary HP goodies to sustain the sustaining song even further.

Obviously you will respec when necessarily, I put in there the "final" enhancement build that has no wand/scroll mastery. And I figure people understimate the power of Healing Amp, my bardcher who has a single enhancement point in Wand/SCroll mastery and 20% healing amp from DT can heal herself for 171 hp per heal scroll.

How much more can I heal myself with full enhancements in wand/scroll mastery and more healing amp I do not know as I don't like to overheal myself.

I did put a section called "noob number crunching" with all the rare stuff in it and a separate generic bracket for the very easy to get items (you can substitute 15 intimidate for an 11 intimidate (maenya's fists) ). As you can also see in the build breakdown even as a d6 w/ barb splashes this character can reach the 500's HP mark which is not bad considering its only generic gear.

Pots and scrolls are also cheap and I really don't understand why will this character be demanding to plat when technically all good bard players are always bankrupt during "restocking" scrolls so I don't think it would make any difference if this bard doubles his/her scroll usage. :P

So I don't understand where did the "this flavor build will not shine without raid gear or plat" is coming from do forgive

I build with generic items in mind before raid items that I currently possess and possible to duplicate for another character

I actually like your idea for mc'ing the other 8 lvls of a virtuoso, but I'm not so sure on the barb idea. My spellsinger and warchanter I love the builds and I eventually got back to my virtuoso but he still ended up sitting idle again in the low levels, but I'd love to do some kind of virtuoso build but I can't find anything productive to do with him that the others aren't able to do just as well or better. That many mc'd levels would definitely give him more personal dps than my warchanter/2 rogue though.

What if instead you went with 12 bard virtuoso/6 fighter/2 rogue and with similar stats and THF, but with maybe 2 con moved into 4 int or 1 of str and con moved into 5 int and retaining casting ability?

Anyone have a similar build idea or a link for a dps build w/ 12 virtuoso/something, didn't find much searching the forums.

You can check Valindria's Build link from the first post prior to my build; It is a solid DPS bard built around healing amp and virtouso II As for the deep Multiclass, my current barcher is a 12 spellsinger / 6 ranger / 2 fighter mix so I don't think a 12/6fighter/2rogue is a bad idea and I might consider it if I re-plan this intimitanking virtouso into what you've mentioned sometime soon after I make my Genghis TWF elf raid ready again (I rerolled her into a 32 pt version).

[bartosy]

Well the idea is to get enough healing amp (as per the link above w/c is a DPS virtouso by Valindria the healing Amp Fan) to make the songs heal double.

Since you are basically blurred/displaced while raging, you can basically mitigate a lot if incoming damage.

I figure I am going for defensive guards (I.E earthen guard) to mitigate more damage and capitalizing on the scourge choker for more temporary HP goodies to sustain the sustaining song even further.

Obviously you will respec when necessarily, I put in there the "final" enhancement build that has no wand/scroll mastery. And I figure people understimate the power of Healing Amp, my bardcher who has a single enhancement point in Wand/SCroll mastery and 20% healing amp from DT can heal herself for 171 hp per heal scroll.

How much more can I heal myself with full enhancements in wand/scroll mastery and more healing amp I do not know as I don't like to overheal myself.

I did put a section called "noob number crunching" with all the rare stuff in it and a separate generic bracket for the very easy to get items (you can substitute 15 intimidate for an 11 intimidate (maenya's fists) ). As you can also see in the build breakdown even as a d6 w/ barb splashes this character can reach the 500's HP mark which is not bad considering its only generic gear.

Pots and scrolls are also cheap and I really don't understand why will this character be demanding to plat when technically all good bard players are always bankrupt during "restocking" scrolls so I don't think it would make any difference if this bard doubles his/her scroll usage. :P

So I don't understand where did the "this flavor build will not shine without raid gear or plat" is coming from do forgive

I build with generic items in mind before raid items that I currently possess and possible to duplicate for another character




You can check Valindria's Build link from the first post prior to my build; It is a solid DPS bard built around healing amp and virtouso II As for the deep Multiclass, my current barcher is a 12 spellsinger / 6 ranger / 2 fighter mix so I don't think a 12/6fighter/2rogue is a bad idea and I might consider it if I re-plan this intimitanking virtouso into what you've mentioned sometime soon after I make my Genghis TWF elf raid ready again (I rerolled her into a 32 pt version).

Before you get all that healing amp you be long 20.. 10% dt 20% dt 30% shroud item or epic item ? I would say you be like 1 or 2 months in your 20s before you get all that healing amp and by that time you long realise how crappy the healing song actually is and found yourself a jerky trinket in adq that basicly does the same thing but then at 30% power.. but doesnt gimp your char with a broken pre..

Oh no i'm one of the persons who doesnt underestimate healing amp i do however don't value the healing song as a steady way of healing yourself added to that fact is that your a barbarian and will rage a lot wich makes scroll healing also impossible + cant cast spells you rely a lot on pots and others to heal you making you a lot less self sufficient as a bard who isnt raged and does have a meta feat and can heal herself.

Ofc if you add 30 healing amp 20 healing amp 10 healing amp finger necklace 30% human imp recovery( verry ap intensive feat btw.. 12 ap ? ) yea.. you can make it a lot more valuable.. but you could make an abberation even playable with epic/end game gear, stuf like madstone boots 2 shroud items scourge chokers finger necklace and yugo pots.

Did i ever say it doesnt work without raid gear ? No i said that you included a lot of raid gear to make your build look nicer then it actually is. Just saying it takes a lot of time before you got all that gear.

If you spec this into a warchanter however you have a +2 damage +1 hit stronger song +10 hp the ability to sing 5% doublestrike to others +4 intimidate free and the ability to wear medium armor without asf.. wich makes a lot more versatile char imo.. but yea.. It's not personal tho.. i just dont like the virt II pre as it is.. and people who blow up the healing song to something thats awesome and actually usefull..

the healing song is great from 12~19 after that it loses power quickly when mobs start hitting you for 40~200 damage the 5~7 hp ticks every 2~3 seconds just doesn't cut it.

thats just my opinion tho.. and yea i did try it for a good 4 to 5 weeks and then respecced to warchanter and never looked back since. Virts just need a lot more to not be considered the redheaded stepchild of the bard class especially at 20.

I mean what are we talking about that you need 190% healing amp to make the ticks go from 4~5 to 7~8? Fricking 190% !!! to make something useless not as useless..and half viable.. human and 12 fricking ap and 60% healing amp wich 30% added wich include a tier 3 effect of gs weapon or epic item.. It's time some devs wake up and smell the coffee already

[AltheaSteelrain]

...Good stuff...

I imagine this to be for general non-epic content but then again you are right and I agree but I figure to put this on the forum "to discuss" since while writing this I was very into the whole idea of "healing amp + song = win I'm uberz!!!"

But I believe even w/o shroud stuff though we can get the 10% and 20% healing amp through DT armor, that is what I had in mind before the raid stuff comes however that's only totaling 1.716% healing amp (correct me if i'm wrong) so as you also mentioned, it would be somewhere around 5 - 10 HP per second for 7 minutes.

While in theory I can make that 5 - 10 HP per second stretch even further with auto stoneskins (from Sov Rune),perma blur/displace and probably 45ish per pot or 188ish per heal scroll w/ generic healing amp, I think it would be cumbersome.

But then again I am playing a Genghis Khan that rages a lot lately so lets just give me the benefit of the doubt that I'm thrifty in using my rages w/c defeats the purpose of going barb like bccorrupt said earlier.

I haven't started this yet without the forumite's blessing so there's still lots of choices and options to choose from. I'll plot in the 12/6/2 split sometime soon.