Mundunugu - Half Orc Radiant Barbarian

[OldAquarian]

(This is obviously not a Fists of Light build)

Okay a bit of a Crazy build
12 Cleric for Radiant II and buffs
6 Barb for FB - 4 Rages per rest
2 Fighter for feats and tactics

Very good for soloing - good dps for parties - backup healing
Not a tank - Not a full healer

Idea is to turn on Radiant Aura and then Rage and attack away when needed
Most of the time Frenzy should suffice and has no limitations
Healing after fights and if needed as backup
Can also cast a few weak BB

Couldn't fit in Toughness feat - but should be high enough HP for a DPS

Self Buffs - Divine Power - DM II - Divine Favor - Aid - Stalwart Pack - Heroes Feast

Skills - Max Balance, some Diplo, Jump

Damage
STR:
18 Base
5 Level Ups
2 Tome
1 Orc Str
6 Divine Power
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32

Frenzy +STR
+2 (Can always be on - no Rage restrictions)

Raged +STR:
+4 Rage
+2 Barb PR II
+2 Orc PR II
___
+8

32 Base
+2 Frenzy
+8 Rage
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42 Total

Damage - Self Buffs - Not Raged:
18 STR of 34 (+12 Mod * 1.5)
+4 Luck (Divine Favor)
10 PA (5 * 2)
+4 Barb PA II (2 * 2)
+6 Orc PA III (2 * 2)
+4 Orc Melee II
+4 DM II
+7 Frenzy (2d6 avg)
+6 Weapon
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+63 -- Not too bad

Raged
+6 (+4 Mod * 1.5)
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69

To Hit
20 BAB (Divine Power)
11 Base STR
+4 Divine Favor
+1 Frenzy
+6 Weapon
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42

Power Attack (optional - But 20 damage is nice)
-10
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32 - Not sure when this isn't enough with expected gear/buffs but in those cases there is RAGE:

Raged
+4
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36

All numbers not including standard items/party buffs

Comments apreciated

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Mundunugu 
Level 20 Neutral Good Half-Orc Male
(2 Fighter \ 6 Barbarian \ 12 Cleric) 
Hit Points: 268
Spell Points: 608 
BAB: 17\17\22\27\27
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 6
Will: 13

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    26
Dexterity             8                    10
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence          6                     8
Wisdom               14                    16
Charisma             14                    16

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 17
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 20
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 20

Level 1 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting


Level 2 (Barbarian)


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 5 (Barbarian)


Level 6 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 7 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Cleric)


Level 12 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 13 (Cleric)


Level 14 (Cleric)


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 17 (Cleric)


Level 18 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow


Level 19 (Cleric)


Level 20 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant II
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Sunder) I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Trip) I
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost I
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost II
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost III
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack I
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack II
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack III
Enhancement: Orcish Power Rage I
Enhancement: Orcish Power Rage II
Enhancement: Orcish Strength I
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude I
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude II
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude III
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Might II
Enhancement: Cleric Extra Turning I
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I

[OldAquarian]

Hah - found a similar thread in the Cleric Section (Human version - rogue instead of fighter)
Bear Shaman - http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=269301

Minor tweak based on that thread

[Sani_Medicor]

I'm playing a build with the same split. It's a lot of fun.
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=286411

[OldAquarian]

I'm playing a build with the same split. It's a lot of fun.
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=286411

Looking at differences

Progression: Melee first vs Cleric Levels much Earlier
Feats: Stunning Blow vs Toughness
Stats: 14 CON/14 CHA vs 16 CON/12 CHA (14 CHA with +2 Tome = DM II vs 16 CON = More HP + Longer Rage)

Thoughts Anyone?

[Sani_Medicor]

Looking at differences

Progression: Melee first vs Cleric Levels much Earlier
Feats: Stunning Blow vs Toughness
Stats: 14 CON/14 CHA vs 16 CON/12 CHA (14 CHA with +2 Tome = DM II vs 16 CON = More HP + Longer Rage)

Thoughts Anyone?

I could see going melee early, so people don't confuse you as a healer. I've always fought and healed, so I'm comfortable doing both. Plus, I've been consistently outkilling melees up to this point.

I'm not sure how much success you will have with stunning blow. It seems to favor kensai and/or stunning weapons. I would definitely recommend fitting toughness in though.

I wasn't really interested in divine might for this build, although it is an option. My investment in charisma was all for radiant servant. I really don't think I'll need divine might anyway.

[Nick_RC]

Hey guys,

Honestly without trying to flame I really have no idea what this build split is trying to achieve. I love unusual builds as long as they can do something worthwhile.

1. What are u trying to do with this split?

a. It's not a strong solo build (6 pali/2 monk, 6ftr/2monk, 7monk/1ftr, 6ftr/2 rog, 6pali/2rog are all much stronger for this purpose)
b. It's not a strong healer. It can't fight AND fully heal a group with any synergies going on. If u say u can then ur not raging and those barb levels are next to useless.(a 17 clr/2ftr/1 barb does this the best IMO)
c. It's not a strong dpser. I have no idea why diVine might is not being used for a low dps toon u really want to eek as much out as u possibly can. I'm sure u guys can outkill weak pugs at low levels... But at end game I think u need to ask urself just really how much ur actually contributing (considering ur not really healing urself...something a different split at least has going for it.)

I think it's a ****** move bagging a build and not making suggestions on how to improve it. Honestly I'm not a fan of the 12 cleric splits but if I were to do one given the same sort of theme I would do this(rough framework) when u get to cap. Eat a +3 lesser heart and switch 3 clr lvls for 3 barb giving u majority barb. Then...



12 clr/6ftr/2 barb half Orc nuetral.(34p)

Str 20( level ups here)
dex 8
con 14
int 8(take a +2 tome at 7 so when u get ur clr levels out of the way u can max out intim)
wis
cha 14 ( +2 tome for DM II)

1. Extend
3. Barb PL
6. Emp heal
9. Quicken
12. I crit
15. Tough
18. Skill focus:intim
1.WF
2. Stun
4. WS
6. PA

(2HF line is junk on pretty much everything apart fro
ftrs and barbs even then it's debateable)

Skills -max intim any remainding take a point in tumble rest in balance.(should be able to hit mid 60s to low 70s guesstimating fully twinked out.) I hate intim on true dps tanks (waste of dps) but for a 12 clr split sitting in ur aura with quickened full heals this option is gold in certain quests.

Enhancements to focus on

Half orc

2hf damage II
power attack III
action boost III
str II
tough II

clr

anything that pumps ur aura
divine might II
radiant servant pre reqs

ftr
haste boosts
kensai pre reqs
intim
ftr str
ftr toughness

barb
PA
extend
extra
PA
sprint boost

ResuLt
A MUCH stronger character overall. better dps, better self/spot healing. Similar sorta flavor with barb run speed and rages (I'd use the knosts sets for 3 rages @+8 str/con lasting for 3-4 mins) but without relying on rage to generate the majority of my dps inhibiting self healing. Rages are now a luxury - a great bonus but not the meat of ur build. And ur a B+ intimitank that can self heal all day long.

Hope this helps.

N

[Musouka]

I got this from the Wiki on the Rage ability.

While raging, a barbarian cannot use any Charisma-, Dexterity-, or Intelligence-based skills (except for Balance and Intimidate) or the Concentration skill, nor can he cast spells or activate magic items that require a command word, a spell trigger (such as a wand), or spell completion (such as a scroll) to function. He can use any feat he has except Combat Expertise and metamagic feats. In DDO, the Barbarian also cannot drink any of the following potions while raged: Remove Curse, Remove Fear, Remove Blindness, Remove Disease, Lesser Restore.

So while raging and in DPS mode, you cannot heal the group, except with an aura you may have clicked on.

[OldAquarian]

See below

Hey guys,

Honestly without trying to flame I really have no idea what this build split is trying to achieve. I love unusual builds as long as they can do something worthwhile.

1. What are u trying to do with this split? Mostly have fun - do damage and have some self healing

a. It's not a strong solo build Seems it should be strong enough - not really worried about being not being invited to solo things
b. It's not a strong healer. Nobody said it was - strong enough to self heal
c. It's not a strong dpser. I have no idea why diVine might is not being used for a low dps toon Please reread the build and my comments about having DM II
I'm sure u guys can outkill weak pugs at low levels...I plan to out dps weak pugs at high level as well
But at end game I think u need to ask urself just really how much ur actually contributing (considering ur not really healing urself...something a different split at least has going for it.)Aside from elite guild runs - do you really think even this build will be even in the lower half of contribution?

I think it's a ****** move bagging a build and not making suggestions on how to improve it. Honestly I'm not a fan of the 12 cleric splits but if I were to do one given the same sort of theme I would do this(rough framework) when u get to cap. Eat a +3 lesser heart and switch 3 clr lvls for 3 barb giving u majority barb. lost me here - even 6+9 would make it 9/9/2Then...

Much different build deleted

(2HF line is junk on pretty much everything apart fro
ftrs and barbs even then it's debateable)Not really sure how +50% damage +extra weapon effects proc to main target and everything around is junk

Hope this helps.Not really

[OldAquarian]

I got this from the Wiki on the Rage ability.
So while raging and in DPS mode, you cannot heal the group, except with an aura you may have clicked on.

Not really intended to heal anybody else unless specifically not raging and helping out with some off healing - this is really not supposed to be a party healing build

- and you have to turn the aura on before you rage

[Sani_Medicor]

At this point in my build, rage is just an afterthought. I think starting my radiant aura and going into a frenzy will be nice though. I won't be locked into the THF line until level 15 and I'll be 12clr/2ftr/2brb at level 16. In other words, I built in lots of room to make adjustments without any long term consequences. As far as a mnk/rog splash, that would have been a waste with dex as a dump stat.

[Musouka]

- and you have to turn the aura on before you rage

That was kind of implied when I used past tense.

[lord_of_rage]

Hey guys,

Honestly without trying to flame I really have no idea what this build split is trying to achieve. I love unusual builds as long as they can do something worthwhile.

1. What are u trying to do with this split? Mostly have fun - do damage and have some self healing

a. It's not a strong solo build Seems it should be strong enough - not really worried about being not being invited to solo things
b. It's not a strong healer. Nobody said it was - strong enough to self heal
c. It's not a strong dpser. I have no idea why diVine might is not being used for a low dps toon Please reread the build and my comments about having DM II
I'm sure u guys can outkill weak pugs at low levels...I plan to out dps weak pugs at high level as well
But at end game I think u need to ask urself just really how much ur actually contributing (considering ur not really healing urself...something a different split at least has going for it.)Aside from elite guild runs - do you really think even this build will be even in the lower half of contribution?

I think it's a ****** move bagging a build and not making suggestions on how to improve it. Honestly I'm not a fan of the 12 cleric splits but if I were to do one given the same sort of theme I would do this(rough framework) when u get to cap. Eat a +3 lesser heart and switch 3 clr lvls for 3 barb giving u majority barb. lost me here - even 6+9 would make it 9/9/2Then...

Much different build deleted

(2HF line is junk on pretty much everything apart fro
ftrs and barbs even then it's debateable)Not really sure how +50% damage +extra weapon effects proc to main target and everything around is junk

Hope this helps.Not really

I have to say nicks comments are pretty on the money. I just cant see the split being worthwhile.

[Sani_Medicor]

A 14clr/4ftr/2brb would be pretty fun, but you'd be mistaken for a healer.

[Nick_RC]

1. What are u trying to do with this split? Mostly have fun - do damage and have some self healing

If this is a flavor/fluff build then feel free to disregard anything im saying. If ur having fun playing him thats great - its the most important thing. U put 'thoughts?' at the end of the build so im assuming u wanted constructive feedback...good and bad.

a. It's not a strong solo build Seems it should be strong enough - not really worried about being not being invited to solo things

Im sry i should have been clearer - its not an 'extreme soloer' the game is easy enough that a u can solo to cap on pretty much any toon. The conflicting rage/full heal methodology limits just how much trouble u can get into.

Very good for soloing

b. It's not a strong healer. Nobody said it was - strong enough to self heal
c. It's not a strong dpser. I have no idea why diVine might is not being used for a low dps toon Please reread the build and my comments about having DM II

Apologies on the DM II - I got confused between you and sani. Points A B and C were not meant to be individually in a vacuum but a set of points specific to what u propose. I think this is the crux of it for me. I have a friend who plays a 12 clr/7 monk/1 ftr with healing amp out the ying yang. But he doesnt even like playing him end game because roles are so narrow. He doesnt do anywhere the dps of a proper melee (comparing notes he seems to do about 40-50% of what im doing on a tricked out melee) granted all raged up ur build will be doing more dps than his by a decent margin...but thats just it when ur all raged up the ONLY thing ur bringing to the table is an aura that will expire before ur rage does. When it expires what then? ur essentially a weak melee. My friend doesnt enjoy playing his guy in epics etc because he realises that hes just not contributing as much as he should and is relying on others to drag him through.

I'm sure u guys can outkill weak pugs at low levels...I plan to out dps weak pugs at high level as well Heh that might well be the case but lets compare apples to apples.
But at end game I think u need to ask urself just really how much ur actually contributing (considering ur not really healing urself...something a different split at least has going for it.)

Aside from elite guild runs - do you really think even this build will be even in the lower half of contribution?

Judging from this comment and the one quoted from ur OP below I think ur missing the mark on how much personal DPS you will be doing. Relatively. By relatively I mean since u are foregoing in fight healing you need to be counted as a melee. It would be a fair assumption that you consider urself a melee build? So compare urself to a true melee. I have to work pretty hard to think of a melee build that does less dps than this. While ur raged spot healing is out. Backup healing is out. So ur a melee...that does alot less dps than a true melee. Im not comparing this build to battleclerics - say 17/2/1 clr/ftr/barb - they will be less than you but they fulfill the group healing role. To answer ur question IMO it will be at the very bottom contribution wise. Its kinda similar too a warchanters dps...without being able to make everyone in the group kickass that much more.

good dps for parties - backup healing

Again with ur setup its one or the other not both. And mediocre to poor dps considering it fills a melee spot.

(2HF line is junk on pretty much everything apart fro
ftrs and barbs even then it's debateable)Not really sure how +50% damage +extra weapon effects proc to main target and everything around is junk

Check ur numbers in game and let me know whether u think standing still suffering through that abomination of a 4th swing (before they broke it) is better than twitching. Then when u find the dps comparable ask urself if u can spend those 3 feats in better ways. Like toughness, quickdraw, and barb past life Saying that if u dont enjoy twitching or are having problems getting it right over a sustained period of time maybe the 3 feats arnt a bad option.

Eat a +3 lesser heart and switch 3 clr lvls for 3 barb giving u majority barb. lost me here - even 6+9 would make it 9/9/2Then...

Ah sorry shoulda explained a little more. going from 12clr/6barb/2ftr to 9/9/2 respecitvely would give u the barbarian past life if u wanted to TR. Its done alphabetically in what priority ur level split (when equal 9/9 for eg.)has for past life purposes.

That pretty much sums up what my thoughts on the matter are - im up in the snow and mountains so reception a bit dicey. Il try check in on this at a later date but if not good luck with it.

N

[OldAquarian]

granted all raged up ur build will be doing more dps than his by a decent margin...but thats just it when ur all raged up the ONLY thing ur bringing to the table is an aura that will expire before ur rage does. When it expires what then? ur essentially a weak melee. My friend doesnt enjoy playing his guy in epics etc because he realises that hes just not contributing as much as he should and is relying on others to drag him through.

4 Rages - 135 seconds is roughly 9 minutes per shrine. But...

Look at the breakdown in the OP: Rage only adds 5 of the +55 Damage - so this build still does most of its damage unraged
A lot of the Barbarian extra damage is from PA and Frenzy - Rage is just icing
You can heal and do other things when Frenzied
Not sure how long Aura lasts - conflicting numbers when I searched

This build does NOT have to Rage

Again with ur setup its one or the other not both. And mediocre to poor dps considering it fills a melee spot.

While not stellar - I think this might be overstated - Would you say 80%, 50%, 30% of pure THF Pure Barb?

Check ur numbers in game and let me know whether u think standing still suffering through that abomination of a 4th swing (before they broke it) is better than twitching. Then when u find the dps comparable ask urself if u can spend those 3 feats in better ways. Like toughness, quickdraw, and barb past life Saying that if u dont enjoy twitching or are having problems getting it right over a sustained period of time maybe the 3 feats arnt a bad option.

Greater THF seems to now grant glancing 50% of the time while moving (twitching) as well as upping the normal untwitched from 50% to 75%
So twitched with GTHF has the same benefit as non GTHF standing still as well as the stated higher % damage

http://ddowiki.com/page/Attack_sequence - Please let me know if I read that wrong - or if that page is wrong

in short - it seems GTHF is now Worth the 3 feats when twitching


Ah sorry shoulda explained a little more. going from 12clr/6barb/2ftr to 9/9/2 respecitvely would give u the barbarian past life if u wanted to TR. Its done alphabetically in what priority ur level split (when equal 9/9 for eg.)has for past life purposes.

btw - TRing out of this makes sense - I wouldn't TR in
And the alphabet thing means in my build order I won't show as cleric till Cleric is 7 at level 15

Thanks for the time on this
Not really sure I deserved the neg rep tho (not saying it was you - just that I got dinged)

[Nick_RC]

I don't stealth neg people I let them know if I do- nothing u wrote was worth it IMO- I wouldn't take the time to reply if I thought something u said was offensive. Il hit u with pos to balance it out.

[QUOTE=OldAquarian;3503849]

4 Rages - 135 seconds is roughly 9 minutes per shrine. But...

Look at the breakdown in the OP: Rage only adds 5 of the +55 Damage - so this build still does most of its damage unraged
A lot of the Barbarian extra damage is from PA and Frenzy - Rage is just icing
You can heal and do other things when Frenzied

Ok cool I can see where ur coming from I was working from the principle of aura then rage up as stated in OP. There are probably some things u need to consider apart from straight damage(because ultimately they impact damage output.) also it should be 6 damage from rage- 8str incl Orc rage and power rage is 6dmg 2 handed.

1. Too hit-ur losing 4 too hit not raging. Even packing DP and DF u lack the massive too hit of barbs/ftrs as ur str Doesn't get up there. Omitting rage from ur too hit ul Likely need to turn PA off (having it maxed is -10 to hit...)in most epic/elite content. So instead of 6 damage it will be often 26 (20 PA+ 6 rage) which is VERY substantial. I get the feeling u run epics/elite more than normal-I'm looking more from end game perspective.

2. Hit points: negligible reflex save,(not big enough for holy aura, base 8 dex) no toughness feat or enh, and from memory no quicken?(if I'm wrong on last one ul have to excuse me hard to check on iPhone), base 14 con(which in itself is ok but combined with the above...) means without the 60hp that rage gives u you will be hp light. Considering u won't be using madstone when not raged and yugo con pots drop ur dps even further... As we all know a dead melée does no dps and one that has to hop around avoiding blows while casting non quickened, dumped concentration, heals does alot less.

I can't help but think if u weren't going to rage full time ud be better going 6ftr 2 barb.
Not sure how long Aura lasts - conflicting numbers when I searched


While not stellar - I think this might be overstated - Would you say 80%, 50%, 30% of pure THF Pure Barb?
Id hazard a guess between 60-70% of a pure 2hf barb. Saying that pure 2hf barbs arnt in great shape ATM. So I would suggest it would be in the lower range of that % against a pure ftr, 18/2 barb/ftr or 12/6/2 ftr/barb/rog. I don't have access to any number crunchen stuff on my phone so take this more as an intuitive guess.

Greater THF seems to now grant glancing 50% of the time while moving (twitching) as well as upping the normal untwitched from 50% to 75%
So twitched with GTHF has the same benefit as non GTHF standing still as well as the stated higher % damage

A few updates ago they removed glancing blow while moving. so it breaks it down to either or In my mind. 3 feats spent for marginal (if any) gain seems steep in my mind.there was a good thread in barb forums about glancing vlows. Think it was started by mediocre surgeon.

N

[Shyver]

Radiant Servant Healing Aura lasts 1:24 at character level 20.

[OldAquarian]

Fixed math in OP for 2HND STR bonuses - etc - added To hit calcs as well

As far as having enough to hit without Rage to keep PA on (-10 hurts but +20 Damage is nice)

Would using Sunder/Improved Destruction weapon make sense?
(Correct to assume they stack?)

Also read someplace than Imp Destro appears on Armor as well, is this random, named, crafted or wrong?

Tactic DCs should be okay with this build and from what I've read work on glancing