Request for Sub-Par Build Ideas

[Martdon]

Here's my idea for a quad build. Although I would think that a Barb/Bard/Ftr would work better

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Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Male
(6 Fighter \ 7 Cleric \ 7 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 246
Spell Points: 970 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 13
Reflex: 11
Will: 14

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    14
Dexterity            16                    20
Constitution         12                    12
Intelligence         14                    16
Wisdom               14                    14
Charisma              8                     8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                     5
Bluff                -1                     0
Concentration         1                     4
Diplomacy            -1                     0
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -1                    -1
Heal                  2                     4
Hide                  3                     7
Intimidate           -1                     0
Jump                  2                     2
Listen                2                     4
Move Silently         3                     5
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     3
Search                2                     5
Spot                  2                     4
Swim                  2                     2
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Spell (1): Bane
Spell (1): Bless
Spell (1): Cause Fear
Spell (1): Command
Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds
Spell (1): Divine Favor
Spell (1): Doom
Spell (1): Inflict Light Wounds
Spell (1): Nightshield
Spell (1): Nimbus of Light
Spell (1): Obscuring Mist
Spell (1): Protection From Evil
Spell (1): Remove Fear
Spell (1): Shield of Faith
Spell (1): Summon Monster I


Level 2 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Empower Healing Spell
Spell (1): Detect Secret Doors
Spell (1): Repair Light Damage
Spell (1): Shield
Spell (1): Niac's Cold Ray
Spell (1): Charm Person


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Shadow
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons


Level 4 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 5 (Wizard)
Spell (1): Burning Hands
Spell (1): Expeditious Retreat


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Point Blank Shot


Level 7 (Cleric)
Spell (2): Aid
Spell (2): Bear's Endurance
Spell (2): Bull's Strength
Spell (2): Close Wounds
Spell (2): Cure Moderate Wounds
Spell (2): Deific Vengance
Spell (2): Eagle's Spendor
Spell (2): Find Traps
Spell (2): Hold Person
Spell (2): Inflict Moderate Wounds
Spell (2): Lesser Restoration
Spell (2): Owl's Wisdom
Spell (2): Remove Paralysis
Spell (2): Resist Energy
Spell (2): Seek Eternal Rest
Spell (2): Soundburst
Spell (2): Spawn Screen
Spell (2): Summon Monster II


Level 8 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: DEX
Spell (2): Blur
Spell (2): Knock


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Lesser Dragonmark of Shadow


Level 10 (Cleric)


Level 11 (Wizard)
Spell (2): Web
Spell (2): Scorching Ray


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Ranged Weapons


Level 13 (Cleric)
Spell (3): Bestow Curse
Spell (3): Blindness
Spell (3): Contagion
Spell (3): Cure Serious Wounds
Spell (3): Dispel Magic
Spell (3): Glyph of Warding
Spell (3): Inflict Serious Wounds
Spell (3): Magic Circle Against Evil
Spell (3): Mass Aid
Spell (3): Prayer
Spell (3): Protection From Energy
Spell (3): Remove Blindness
Spell (3): Remove Curse
Spell (3): Remove Disease
Spell (3): Searing Light
Spell (3): Summon Monster III
Spell (3): Water Breathing


Level 14 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Necromancy
Spell (3): Displacement
Spell (3): Haste


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness


Level 16 (Cleric)
Ability Raise: DEX


Level 17 (Wizard)
Spell (3): Frost Lance
Spell (3): Rage


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness


Level 19 (Cleric)
Spell (4): Chaos Hammer
Spell (4): Cure Critical Wounds
Spell (4): Deathward
Spell (4): Dismissal
Spell (4): Divine Power
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement
Spell (4): Holy Smite
Spell (4): Inflict Critical Wounds
Spell (4): Mass Shield of Faith
Spell (4): Neutralize Poison
Spell (4): Order's Wrath
Spell (4): Panacea
Spell (4): Poison
Spell (4): Recitation
Spell (4): Restoration
Spell (4): Summon Monster IV
Spell (4): Symbol of Flame
Spell (4): Unholy Blight


Level 20 (Wizard)
Ability Raise: INT
Spell (4): Phantasmal Killer
Spell (4): Wall of Fire
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Cleric Radiant Servant I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Attack II
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Ranged Damage II
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use I
Enhancement: Extra Dragonmark Use II
Enhancement: Follower of the Silver Flame
Enhancement: Kensei Longbow Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Maximizing I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Improved Concentration I
Enhancement: Improved Concentration II
Enhancement: Improved Heal I
Enhancement: Improved Heal II
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality II
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Turning I
Enhancement: Wizard Archmage I

[Ebuddy]

Any and every optimally designed range build will make a solidly sub-par character.

That made me laugh. Really. Why would it always be sub-par? DPS? Well, compared to other pure DPS builds that might be true. There are a number of ways to play a pure ranged toon, many of which would not necessarily be to the detriment of the group....

[Shyver]

Elf
8 Fighter / 6 Bard / 6 Barbarian
Kensai I / Warchanter I / Frenzied Berserker I / Arcane Archer I

Stats (32 pt):

Str: 18 +5 lvl +3 tome +6 item = 32 +2 rage spell = 34 +6 barb rage = 40 +2 frenzied = 42
Dex: 18 +2 tome +6 item +2 enh = 28
Con: 12 +2 tome +6 item = 20 +2 rage spell = 22 +6 barb rage = 28
Int: 8 +2 tome = 10
Wis: 8 +2 tome = 10
Cha: 8 +2 tome +6 item = 16

Feats (In no order)

1: Point Blank Shot
3: Wpn Focus - Ranged
6: Rapid Shot
9: Bow Strength
12: Manyshot
15: Imp. Crit - Ranged
18: THF (or Precise Shot)

F1: Wpn Focus - Slashing
F2: Wpn Spec - Slashing
F4: Power Attack
F6: Cleave
F8: Imp Crit - Slashing (or Imp Precise Shot)

Feats work out, pretty sure the enhancements will too. I just don't feel like doing them at the moment. Use falchions in close combat and long bows at ranged. Could also move the Wpn Spec - Slashing over to Wpn Spec - Ranged and go Kensai with bows instead of falchions if you really want to specialize in the Arcane Archer part of the build since that will be the only PrE to get "maxed" out.

[DrNuegebauer]

I reckon go 11 cleric/ 9monk with full heal/ negative energy amps for crit touch of death! (does that work?)

Should be able to get a nice AC going and have plenty of self-healing too.

[Bunker]

Elf
8 Fighter / 6 Bard / 6 Barbarian
Kensai I / Warchanter I / Frenzied Berserker I / Arcane Archer I

Stats (32 pt):

Str: 18 +5 lvl +3 tome +6 item = 32 +2 rage spell = 34 +6 barb rage = 40 +2 frenzied = 42
Dex: 18 +2 tome +6 item +2 enh = 28
Con: 12 +2 tome +6 item = 20 +2 rage spell = 22 +6 barb rage = 28
Int: 8 +2 tome = 10
Wis: 8 +2 tome = 10
Cha: 8 +2 tome +6 item = 16

Feats (In no order)

1: Point Blank Shot
3: Wpn Focus - Ranged
6: Rapid Shot
9: Bow Strength
12: Manyshot
15: Imp. Crit - Ranged
18: THF (or Precise Shot)

F1: Wpn Focus - Slashing
F2: Wpn Spec - Slashing
F4: Power Attack
F6: Cleave
F8: Imp Crit - Slashing (or Imp Precise Shot)

Feats work out, pretty sure the enhancements will too. I just don't feel like doing them at the moment. Use falchions in close combat and long bows at ranged. Could also move the Wpn Spec - Slashing over to Wpn Spec - Ranged and go Kensai with bows instead of falchions if you really want to specialize in the Arcane Archer part of the build since that will be the only PrE to get "maxed" out.

8 bard / 6 fighter / 6 barb would be better imo

[Shyver]

8 bard / 6 fighter / 6 barb would be better imo

While it would give you a short self-haste you'd have to choose two feats to give up. 1 for the loss of fighter level 8, and one to swap out for extend spell. Without extend your haste won't outlast your rages, even with I'm not sure if it will outlast the rage.

[KingofDiamondz]

Here's one I've been trying to build for a while: Quad prestige, currently only doable by taking elf arcane archer plus 3 other PrEs, none of which can be ranger.

I imagine that kensei/warchanter would be the best for the first 2, but have never been able to decide on the 3rd.

Even if op doesnt do this, I just might just have to try this someday as its sounds like such cool and fun idea

[Zengar]

Here's one I've been trying to build for a while: Quad prestige, currently only doable by taking elf arcane archer plus 3 other PrEs, none of which can be ranger.

I imagine that kensei/warchanter would be the best for the first 2, but have never been able to decide on the 3rd.

Man, I can't beleive I didn't think of this, I am at least going to have to plan out what a 4 prestige class build would look like.

Add me to the ranks of those who are going to be starting one of those I've got a elven fighter/bard arcane archer, why I felt the need for full kensei and didn't think this much more entertaining alternative, I may never know.

Hmmm... how to take this in a different direction than the ones already mentioned. Rogue/monk/bard? Doesn't get much benefit from the arcane archer and stats would be stretched pretty thin. Favored soul would be handy, but I don't have it or plan on getting it any time soon. Hmmm...

This may take some thought. Anyway, plus 1 rep to elg582 for the suggestion and to SamualTheFree for prompting it!

[elg582]

Hmmm... how to take this in a different direction than the ones already mentioned. Rogue/monk/bard? Doesn't get much benefit from the arcane archer and stats would be stretched pretty thin. Favored soul would be handy, but I don't have it or plan on getting it any time soon.

Bard/monk are alignment incompatible, and fvs archers are short of feats (and don't get PrE ).

[r3dl4nce]

Try the bear shaman build: 12 cleric/6barbarian/2xx or 14cleric/6 barbarian....
It's subpar dps and subpar healing, but can be viable and fun

[OverlordOfRats]

My suggestion is an Elven Barbarian.

Show those young upstart races that elves can be reckless also.

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Level 20 Neutral Good Elf Female
(20 Barbarian) 
Hit Points: 412
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 7
Will: 5

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    25
Dexterity            11                    12
Constitution         15                    18
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

Level 1 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Barbarian)


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Damage Reduction I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness II


Level 5 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Item Defense I


Level 6 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I


Level 7 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Damage Reduction II


Level 8 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost III
Enhancement: Barbarian Willpower I


Level 9 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II


Level 10 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I


Level 11 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker II
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution II


Level 13 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage III


Level 14 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage IV


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack III


Level 16 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost IV


Level 17 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness III


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker III


Level 19 (Barbarian)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Barbarian Might
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution III

[Kriogen]

Kobold Shaman. Sorcerer10/Cleric10. Max Jump and spamm MM, those fogs/mists and sleetstorm. Halfling

[Darkrok]

There was a request once to build the old-style pnp bladesinger and I think I really caught the spirit of the build well. It would most certainly be a sub-par build but at the same time it's carefully crafted to work as well as it can within the framework of the bladesinger archetype.

Here's the build and my detailed comments on the build as well as the full thread.

[SamuelTheFree]

I think I like the sounds of the Kensai I / Warchanter I / Frenzied Berserker I / Arcane Archer I.
Now I just have to decide which Pre I want first

[Phidius]

...
I have a friend who plays a warforged wiz/monk, close to an even split. (Don't remember it exactly - 11mnk/9wiz, maybe?) The self-buffing and the self-healing are a definite plus, and he can hold his own in unarmed damage, but he has a lot of trouble getting into parties because they don't like taking someone with as many levels of wizard as he has for a melee slot...

I had one of these - subpar definitely is a good description. It's not a bad build by any means, but it was lacking the feeling of synergy that I look for in builds.

...
A real challenge would be to forgo warforged for another race, losing the bonus self-healing in the process.
...

If you do this, I highly recommend 12 Wiz/8 Monk - give up the ToD and improved evasion for the unarmed damage and self-healing from lich form. This is better synergy for a non-WF build.

I reckon go 11 cleric/ 9monk with full heal/ negative energy amps for crit touch of death! (does that work?)...

Touch of Death is not affected by any boosts for negative energy, although it is rendedered worthless by immunities to negative energy.

Monk attacks are not affected by spell damage enhancements, while finishers are. Touch of Death is an attack, not a finisher - although it can feel like one due to the cost and cool down.

...
Should be able to get a nice AC going and have plenty of self-healing too.

I guess it depends on what you mean by "nice". If you mean you can easily get an AC so that monsters who can't really hurt you in the first place only hit you with grazing hits, then sure. However, to get an AC that provides significant protection from monsters who you actually need protection from will require a great deal of grinding.

Not something that a "fun build" should have an expectation for.

[Alektronic]

Another quad class: AA/ Acrobat I/ Kensai I/ WCI or VirtI. Max trap/UMD/Perform and some nice staff/songs/range abilities. Hm, think I'm gonna roll this.

You could also build a full melee arcane that works around the elven arcane fluidity and tensers. I'm thinking starting 18 str, 14-16 con, and 12-14 charisma/int. Level ups in str. As full caster, you get full use of many spells(scorching ray, WoF, polar ray, fogs, buffs, necro debuffs, summons, etc...) without the need of buffing ur casting stat past 19 end game . Wizard would be for extra feats (PrE make this AP heavy), and sorc for access to a larger sp pool. With either masters touch/tensers/or dilettante feat, you have access to martial weapons. Toughest would be looking for gear w/ lowered/lower ASF and AC penalties and also boosting ur HPs. Lot of versatility/variability here and would have the full functionality of a caster in most content.

[dougnugget]

Here's a go at the Arcane Archer/Thief-Acrobat/Kensai/Warchanter Build. I started to lose track of enhancements so there are a few extra tacked on at L20.

Note that the build is very tight for feats (especially since there are no Ranger Bonus Feats) and enhancements; despite that, I think I did a decent job - managed to get Manyshot (with +16 BAB for maximum shots) and the complete THF feat chain. However, there is no IC: Ranged and had to use Ranger dilettante for bow strength.

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Quadprestige Sneakypants
Level 20 True Neutral Half-Elf Male
(8 Fighter \ 6 Rogue \ 6 Bard) 
Hit Points: 284
Spell Points: 215 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 15
Will: 8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    21
Dexterity            16                    17
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         14                    14
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma              8                     8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    11
Bluff                -1                     0
Concentration         2                    14
Diplomacy            -1                     0
Disable Device        6                    23
Haggle                3                    10
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  7                    14
Intimidate           -1                    22
Jump                  6                    17
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently         7                    16
Open Lock             7                     9
Perform              n/a                   10
Repair                2                     2
Search                6                    23
Spot                  3                     3
Swim                  3                     5
Tumble                4                     8
Use Magic Device      3                    20

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Ranger
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 3 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Bard Energy of the Music I


Level 4 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I
Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic I
Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 5 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I


Level 6 (Bard)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Improved Ranger Dilettante I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Improved Balance I


Level 7 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II
Enhancement: Improved Balance II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I


Level 8 (Bard)
Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I


Level 10 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Improved Ranger Dilettante II


Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Bludgeoning Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II


Level 13 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I


Level 14 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Kensei Quarterstaff Mastery I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 16 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Improved Ranger Dilettante III


Level 17 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II


Level 18 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II


Level 19 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I


Level 20 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Fighter Quarterstaff Specialization I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Bard Song Magic II

[dougnugget]

Please excuse the double post - here is another Quad Prestige build, this time using Arcane Archer/Kensei/Ninja Spy/Hunter of the Dead. Going Fighter 8/Monk 6 means 15 feats total, and this time I can use Rogue dilettante for the extra sneak attack. However, skills are much weaker. The build assumes that by L20 you can find or buy a +2 CHA tome.

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Quad Prestige
Level 20 Lawful Good Half-Elf Male
(8 Fighter \ 6 Paladin \ 6 Monk) 
Hit Points: 310
Spell Points: 180 
BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
Fortitude: 21
Reflex: 16
Will: 14

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    21
Dexterity            16                    18
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom               14                    15
Charisma             12                    14

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    12
Bluff                 1                     3
Concentration         6                    24
Diplomacy             1                     3
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle                1                     2
Heal                  2                     2
Hide                  3                     4
Intimidate            1                     3
Jump                  5                    18
Listen                2                     2
Move Silently         3                     4
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                    -1
Spot                  2                     2
Swim                  2                     5
Tumble                4                     7
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Half-Elf Dilettante) Half-Elf Dilettante: Rogue
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Improved Jump I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I


Level 2 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 4 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I


Level 5 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Ranged Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Bow Strength
Feat: (Selected) Point Blank Shot
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I


Level 7 (Fighter)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Improved Jump II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Enhancement: Kensei Unarmed Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Half-Elf Rogue Dexterity I


Level 11 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I


Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Acid Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +2 Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I


Level 13 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness
Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I


Level 14 (Monk)
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Explosive Arrows
Enhancement: Static Charge
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +3 Arrows
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II


Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Improved Rogue Dilettante II


Level 16 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I
Enhancement: Adept of Wind


Level 17 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Force Burst Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Terror Arrows
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +4 Arrows


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Manyshot
Feat: (Selected) Rapid Shot
Enhancement: Fighter Unarmed Specialization I


Level 19 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning I


Level 20 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Imbue Slaying Arrows
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Archer: Conjure +5 Arrows
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I

[Adalita]

OP should check out the request a build - get a build thread, there are some great off-beat builds in there: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=117232&.

Personal favourite is the Hammer and Tongs build: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php...60#post1309260. Dwarf TWF with hammer for stunning and pick for autocrits.

[Brennie]

GreatCrossbow Kensai. For funzies you could even go elf, with a dash of bard or wiz, and take up whatever parts of AA actually work with crossbows (I heard force imbue works? I'm not 100% certain). Alternately, just go pure for the fighter capstone.

^ Apologies if this is TOO subpar (But hey, you won't be fighting people over getting the "Good" greatcrossbows.)

There are plenty of otehr underutilized weapons to play with, as well. Any and all crossbows, shortbows, light hammers (Or even warhammers), kukris (Which, i know, people still love, but i never see someone sepcialize in them), daggers, greatclub, any kind of throwing weapon (My pure dwarf kensai actually gets decent speed and damage on his throwing axes, what with quickdraw and the fighter capstone. Won't be the prettiest build ever, but with good weapons it might work out! Ranged vorpal strikes anyone ?)