Grease is a bad joke :(

[Mr.Delightful]

But why, Grease is fun right? Wrong! Grease is negative haste, and as much as players love haste, they should hate grease.

Grease. Currently, the only thing its good at is griefing party/raid members. It is one of the few remaining "friendly-fire" spells left, but sense DDO doesn't really do friendly-fire (Firewall dance anyone?), it seems like Grease is a bit out of place in terms of how it functions in DDO.

Grease, as many are aware, forces everyone in the AOE to save or fall, really slowing down party movement, and disabling jumping in the process. Sense movement is extremely important in DDO, it makes this spell an awful choice to use, in every situation.

That being said, I want to like grease, I really do, but as it currently stands, I just can't. The fact that Grease does more damage to my party then most mob pulls prevents me from ever daring to lay down the oily black slide of doom.

Grease could be so useful, and it should be, as it is the first-tier spell-like ability for Conjuration speced archmages.

So, how do we turn nasty old Grease into the awesome CC that it could be?


1) Grease should only effect enemies. That way, it does more good than harm, which is unfortunately not the case now

2) Allow Grease to be effected by Heighten. If the "friendly-fire" version of Grease is replaced by the party-friendly version I suggest, there is no reason me to deny me my +9 DC Grease


Those 2 above suggestions would greatly improve Grease, and give players one less reason to rage-quit groups

What do people think? Good idea, bad idea? Reasonable? Anyone have an suggestions? Don't be shy...

[Frostwhisperer]

Grease is a party buff!

But I agree. It shouldn't be friendly fire. It's fun to do with friends, but t just screams grieving

[Trillea]

NTY, it's too useful to see who does NOT have FoM when I am on my cleric. If they start sliding, I cast FoM on them.

[RATRACE931]

Its functioned this way for 4 years and I think I can speak for all vets when i say "Grease stays!"

[Zorack00]

I think its actually quite a good one...

[Culver.Civello]

Grease is Grease. I wouldn't have it any other way.

Besides...even if it didn't effect your party members, it is practically useless...or at least there are better spells to memorize. No one would no longer buy my over abundance of grease clickies on the AH for a good laugh or ever bother with the spell if it didn't effect party members. xD

[Junk]

Yes it stays and when used in a roleplaying setting it is usefull, the whole group just needs to know what tatics you are using and not to enter the grease. There are other aspects to this game besides the end game and pug groups and a DPS build doesn't always have to run in and hack and slash let the rangers and casters have some fun also. Grease should be able to be heighten.

[silvertrit]

I dont know i think it works wonders against constructs..


AS for everyone elses




Bah hubug onto you....


I have ran grease with extend on a sorc painting en entire floor with grease...


Sorry that you cant aim

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Its functioned this way for 4 years and I think I can speak for all vets when i say "Grease stays!"

Actually I would vote to have grease changed to allow it to be heightened.

[RATRACE931]

Actually I would vote to have grease changed to allow it to be heightened.

Oh of course I've wanted that for quite some time aswell... but I'll take that as a "/greasestays"

[Maegin]

They also make burning hands clickies for anti grease clickies.

Grease is one of the few spells that hold true to D&D left in this game, aside from a few conjuration spells, and by that I mean harm your party and enemy. Don't take that away. They already nerfed it 2 times. ie no heighten and burn away.

[AndyD47]

Actually I would vote to have grease changed to allow it to be heightened.

QFT.

I love grease myself,and would use it as CC much more often if it could be heighten.

If everyone has FoM,or you can place them well,it's like a web that attacks a different save to my eyes.

[honkers]

grease= best spell ever

[rexservorum]

Leave it the way it is.

Unless you're planning to make it even more faithful to PnP, and allow it to be cast on items. This would, however, require the implementation of disarming.

But most importantly of all, this change would give real and quantifiable meaning to the phrase, "slipperier than a greased dwarf."

[Dartwick]

Grease gives me playing an acrobat a bit a joy every time as we buff for the shroud.

Dont change it.

[countesscrow]

Its functioned this way for 4 years and I think I can speak for all vets when i say "Grease stays!"

U have my vote!

[wax_on_wax_off]

Grease is a party buff!

But I agree. It shouldn't be friendly fire. It's fun to do with friends, but t just screams grieving

If you take away one grief method then people will just have to get more inventive ...

Really though, I've never been in a raid group in which someone has RQ'd because while waiting a long time for everyone to get in I've dropped a grease to watch every one slip and slide around.

It's about appropriateness, if there is time to kill, no danger and if it is not repeated then dropping a grease is perfectly ok (imo) and importantly teaches new players the circumstances under which it is ok to grief (time to kill, no danger and not repeated).

I've seen more people drop group from mass camo than grease. Do you want to change that too? Do you want everyone to become so sensitive that if you accidentally rage them without first checking that it's ok that they drop group?

I think everyone needs to toughen up, appreciate a joke and carry a grease clicky around with you for some sweet, sweet revenge.

[Alabore]

I think everyone needs to toughen up, appreciate a joke and carry a grease clicky around with you for some sweet, sweet revenge.

Be wary of joke escalation.

[transtemporal]

Grease has no current use in the game, except as a joke spell. In fact, it seems a little odd for turbine to put the work into creating a spell that has no use in the game, but I guess thats the case with a lot of DnD spells e.g. Death to Undeath, Symbol of Stunning etc etc.

If they were to change it to become enemy-only and heightenable, it would probably become more useful than web due to the way grease works. Both are reflex saves but you make a save for any movement in a grease, whereas web only has a save when you enter it, or re-enter it. Grease is also a larger AoE.

I disagree on the humour aspect though. An extended grease on the spike trap just above the ladder in von5, along with selectively dancing peeps as they cross the spikes can be hugely entertaining.

[Uska]

Grease has no current use in the game, except as a joke spell. In fact, it seems a little odd for turbine to put the work into creating a spell that has no use in the game, but I guess thats the case with a lot of DnD spells e.g. Death to Undeath, Symbol of Stunning etc etc.

If they were to change it to become enemy-only and heightenable, it would probably become more useful than web due to the way grease works. Both are reflex saves but you make a save for any movement in a grease, whereas web only has a save when you enter it, or re-enter it. Grease is also a larger AoE.

I disagree on the humour aspect though. An extended grease on the spike trap just above the ladder in von5, along with selectively dancing peeps as they cross the spikes can be hugely entertaining.

Incorrect grease can be very useful everyone in the party just needs fom and we dont need to make grease so it doesnt affect the party but we need to change area effect spells so that they do we need more pnp realism not less