Drow SR+Monk= Magic Killer??

[Lil'man]

@BigDumbWierdo
I don't think the other people are getting at that whoever makes a drow monk is automatically gimped, I just think they're getting at that there's better choices, in your scenario if you had a WF u could've finished em faster and with a little more ease, sure maybe u don't have SR yet but tons of spells don't affect WF, if you had halfling you could of had dragonmark of heal and took out more mobs, etc... there are tons of scenarios at where who is better at what, Dex based or str based?
The whole game is built on choices, what you choose can dictate how good your character is, how good your character is affects how much fun you have (to some extent if ur too good then it can get boring). Bottom line is, drow certainly isn't the best choice for a Dex based monk (which I assume u have, no way str based can take out that many mobs without healing), but it still brings some advantages to the table that others don't, whether or not these advantages are useful depend on the playstyle of the player.

[Calebro]

You have zero idea of what your talking about. yes many other races are better then a drow at being a monk but not a 28 pt human

Halfling proably but human NO WAY I had a drow monk took her to 20 she survived all the was thrown at her and recoverd many near party wipes for the party even a near wipe once in TOD and we managed to actually finish that one with my DROW monk no 28pt human could have had my AC and it would have been hard for a halfling to match it

CE much easier for a drow to get

So:
1. You agree other races are better.
2. You made one. You played it well.
3. A drow has the an easier time acquiring a little used and situational feat.

You have failed to explain why drow offers any synergy at all.
Please now explain to me why "[I] have zero idea what [I'm] talking about" or stop insinuating that I'm an idiot.

[BigDumbWeirdo]

@BigDumbWierdo
I don't think the other people are getting at that whoever makes a drow monk is automatically gimped, I just think they're getting at that there's better choices, in your scenario if you had a WF u could've finished em faster and with a little more ease, sure maybe u don't have SR yet but tons of spells don't affect WF, if you had halfling you could of had dragonmark of heal and took out more mobs, etc... there are tons of scenarios at where who is better at what, Dex based or str based?

My point is that "better" depends on more factors than just the math. You can say that I would have finished them faster with a WF monk, but you don't know that. In fact, I know that the WF monk build I tried was significantly worse than my drow monk, because it didn't compliment my playing style.

The whole game is built on choices, what you choose can dictate how good your character is, how good your character is affects how much fun you have (to some extent if ur too good then it can get boring). Bottom line is, drow certainly isn't the best choice for a Dex based monk (which I assume u have, no way str based can take out that many mobs without healing), but it still brings some advantages to the table that others don't, whether or not these advantages are useful depend on the playstyle of the player.

I'm not arguing that other races might give more advantages, I'm simply saying -like you- the player's style of playing affects whether or not these advantages are used. Maybe most players won't use the advantages a drow brings to the table, and will instead use the advantages that other races bring. This means that -to them- drow is not as good a choice. But none of that means drow monks are gimped in any way.

A WF barb is a good choice, I think almost everyone would agree with that. But if you're a player who likes to stand still and whack clickies in just the right combination to make mobs go bye-bye, you're not going to do nearly as well playing a WF barb as you would playing a WF wizzie or sorc. Does that then make a WF barb a gimped build?

Conversly, a drow wizzie is a good build, but if too many clickies on screen makes your head spin... Well, then you're not going to do well. Once again, the build is not gimped.

Another thing I haven't mentioned yet, but is still true: Gimped means something negative. It doesn't mean "less than perfection." Simply because a certain build doesn't have the best possible numbers doesn't make it gimped. A Wizzie who focuses on melee combat and ignores spells is gimped. A monk who outputs 3 DPS less than is optimal is not, except maybe at 1st or 2nd lvl.

[Kinerd]

Note my use of the word "consistently." Unless you're suggesting that an overwhelming number of toons playing right now (including true reincarnated toons) are horribly gimped, this statement is nothing but empty rhetoric. I don't play with a dedicated group.

That's exactly what I'm suggesting.

You seem to be missing my whole point. It doesn't matter if your toon's DPS is 3 points higher than some other guy's. If that other guy is a better player than you, he'll still kill things faster than you.

Your point was: "I do very well with my drow monk, and you and others here seem to be assuming I'd do better with a halfling monk, which I can assure you I wouldn't. I know, because I tried it." There is no other guy. There is only you and your experiences with two (or more) different builds. Your experiences (which are subject to the random fluctuations of the real world) do not match the maths (which are not).

I didn't say drow monks were non-viable or ineffective, I said they were less effective than monks of other races. Therigar and I had a perfectly polite conversation over the specific situations it would take for the benefits of drow to outweigh the benefits of any other race, and it came down to 28-point builds looking for CE. If you believe you have a better handle on the facts than he, by all means, please feel free to suggest other specific situations.

I'm not sure why you're so worked up about this.

Yes, I disagree....because if ur not having fun playing first off....what's the point of playing period.

Some people play the game because they love playing the game, not because the are obsessed with crunching numbers.

Sorry I will take content and happiness over numbers any day.

If your fun is based solely on the race you are playing, as I intimated in my first post, of course you should stick with the race that for whatever reason makes you happy. That's not what the post you quoted was talking about, though, which is why I was confused.

[Carpone]

Drow-Boosted enchantment saves, SR as a lowby, bonus shortsword damage (as a dark monk), bonus shuriken damage, bonus to dex. [...] I see no reason for a person to not roll a drow monk.

Boosted enchantment saves - Kinda useful for solo leveling. Pointless in epics/raids though when you have FoM.

SR - Yes, great for leveling. No point with it as a 20 monk though, since you'll get the same benefit.

Bonus Shortsword damage - If you're not using handwraps as a monk, you're gimping yourself. Shortswords are only useful if you're a first life toon doing hard/elite/epic content and you don't yet have metalline/pg handwraps as a dark monk. The rest of your raid is still carrying you though.

Bonus Shiruken damage - Lolworthy.

Bonus to dex - It's ok. Not very compelling though.

[Carpone]

And here I thought it was about having fun. You know, being a video GAME and all.

For the record, my drow monk consistently outkills FWing arcane casters in undead heavy quests. Is that gimp enough?

Leveling and raiding are different. You can schlep through normal difficulty quests with any class/race/buildout. You can raid with any character too, but the more suboptimal the build, the more of a burden you are to the rest of the raid. The more suboptimal your build, the more difficult it is to transition to harder difficulty content (hard/elite/epic). You may not care about that burden, but I assure you the healers do when their chugging mana pots or burning a stack of Heal scrolls.