My ultimate Soul

[Wildseed]

Yes I realize this is the long haul as I'm not there yet, but this is what I'm going for. Wish me luck and lemme know what you think:

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Anshel Wildseed
Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Female
(2 Monk \ 18 Favored Soul) 
Hit Points: 272
Spell Points: 1681 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 19
Will: 21

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    18
Dexterity            15                    20
Constitution         13                    16
Intelligence         11                    14
Wisdom               16                    24
Charisma             12                    16

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 14
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 14
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 14
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 14

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               2                     7
Bluff                 1                     5
Concentration         1                     5
Diplomacy             1                     5
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                1                     5
Heal                  3                     9
Hide                  2                     7
Intimidate            1                     5
Jump                  2                     6
Listen                3                    11
Move Silently         2                     7
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     4
Search                0                     6
Spot                  3                    11
Swim                  2                     6
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Favored Soul
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Favored Soul
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Favored Soul
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Diety) Favored by the Sovereign Host


Level 3 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Completionist


Level 4 (Favored Soul)


Level 5 (Favored Soul)


Level 6 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Fire
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 7 (Favored Soul)


Level 8 (Favored Soul)


Level 9 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 10 (Favored Soul)


Level 11 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Cold


Level 12 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 13 (Favored Soul)


Level 14 (Favored Soul)


Level 15 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Acid


Level 17 (Favored Soul)


Level 18 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 19 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Whirling Steel Strike


Level 20 (Favored Soul)

I'm currently on my 5th life (third wizard) so got a long way to go to get completionist, the tomes listed are tomes I already have in my possession.

[Matuse]

No improved critical or GTWF...your melee is going to be pretty awful.

No Empower, Capstone, short about 400 SP, 2 caster levels, 1 8th level spell, 2 9th level spells...your spellcasting won't be all that hot either.

Elf with no scimitars? I get that you want to be centered, but why not go Human and get another feat out of it as long as you are using longswords anyway?

Looks like you are trying to do everything. This will not end well. You can cast well and melee just slightly above terribad, or you can melee well and cast with grand mediocrity.

This build looks to be meleeing terribad and casting poorly too. Evasion doesn't begin to compensate.

[blitzschlag]

additionally to what matuse said:

no concentration (quicken does not work for scrolls)?
no umd (my preference, nothing bout self fire shield, invis, teleport, gh, you name it)?

[chrisgina39]

additionally to what matuse said:

no concentration (quicken does not work for scrolls)?
no umd (my preference, nothing bout self fire shield, invis, teleport, gh, you name it)?

just staying i play a fvs and iv never used a scroll '(cept raise dead at low lvls)

[blitzschlag]

just staying i play a fvs and iv never used a scroll '(cept raise dead at low lvls)

so? i rather use stacks of scrolls for single target healing in certain quests than jug spellpoint pots. sure, now that spellpoint pots can be easiely bought for ca$h, thats no problem for some...

[jeremyt]

general observation I've noticed, probably not good to go with a feat starved class for a endgame completionist build. Just hunt for passive past lives that benefit it most

this is all just opinion of course

[Matuse]

A pure Evoker style build would benefit very strongly from a completionist (with multiple wiz/sorc/fvs lives) route. Ungodly high spell pen, spellpoints, boosted wis from completionist, etc. Also not too hard to free up a feat for it. Actually, the more difficult challenge would be spell choice. With the insane spell pen, a lot of currently marginal spells become a lot more attractive.

I have a vague long term plan for a completionist 3x wiz/sorc/fvs build, but it's closer to the superior soul version, because I like having tolerable melee, even if it's kinda feeble. I just really wish there was any way to make it work with Drow...I lurve me the Vulkoor capstone spell. But there's just no way to cram in all the feats it needs.

[Wildseed]

No improved critical or GTWF...your melee is going to be pretty awful.

No Empower, Capstone, short about 400 SP, 2 caster levels, 1 8th level spell, 2 9th level spells...your spellcasting won't be all that hot either.

Elf with no scimitars? I get that you want to be centered, but why not go Human and get another feat out of it as long as you are using longswords anyway?

Looks like you are trying to do everything. This will not end well. You can cast well and melee just slightly above terribad, or you can melee well and cast with grand mediocrity.

This build looks to be meleeing terribad and casting poorly too. Evasion doesn't begin to compensate.

No improved critical cause I'll be wielding 2 min II longswords, and don't need it. I actually have a version of this build and love it, even without the empower. I can do good damage and get 2 wisdom out of being centered.

[Jakarr]

Waste of a complentionist(sp)

No GTWF, no Icrit(minII are ok but LitII is the damage), no Power Attack

No Conc(needed for scrolling and unless you like sp pots you will use scrolls)

Melee damage with be pathetic, casting you will be all right with all the passive passed life feats I suppose. No Heighten though...

Whats the point of this build?

Suppose thou a divine build doesn't matter much as long as you have Extend/Quicken/Max Sup Pot 6 and BB its all Cake.

[Wildseed]

Waste of a complentionist(sp)

No GTWF, no Icrit(minII are ok but LitII is the damage), no Power Attack

No Conc(needed for scrolling and unless you like sp pots you will use scrolls)

Melee damage with be pathetic, casting you will be all right with all the passive passed life feats I suppose. No Heighten though...

Whats the point of this build?

Suppose thou a divine build doesn't matter much as long as you have Extend/Quicken/Max Sup Pot 6 and BB its all Cake.

The reason there's no conc is cause there's no skill points spent at all, there will be conc in the actual build. The point of my builds are to have fun, I have fun with the non-completionist version of this build, and I figure I would have fun with this, when she runs outta mana her dmg is good for a non-fighter in TOD anyway, she's only gonna melee when starting/finishing a mob most of the time the bb will be talking . But nevermind it's obvious you guys are like, well pure or go home with this build so whatever, I'll do what I want, thanks for the advice. I'll keep my build as is. If you see somewhere I could fit GTWF and still be centered pls share since I'm short on feats but I am not gonna go pure. I'll start another project if I want a pure fvs ( I have had 5 fvs builds, 2/18monk/fvs, 20 pure elven scimi user, 14 greatsword wf fvs (she too will be pure) this chick was 2/18 monk/fvs have a lvl 6 scimi str fvs too...)

[Jakarr]

The reason there's no conc is cause there's no skill points spent at all, there will be conc in the actual build. The point of my builds are to have fun, I have fun with the non-completionist version of this build, and I figure I would have fun with this, when she runs outta mana her dmg is good for a non-fighter in TOD anyway, she's only gonna melee when starting/finishing a mob most of the time the bb will be talking . But nevermind it's obvious you guys are like, well pure or go home with this build so whatever, I'll do what I want, thanks for the advice. I'll keep my build as is. If you see somewhere I could fit GTWF and still be centered pls share since I'm short on feats but I am not gonna go pure. I'll start another project if I want a pure fvs ( I have had 5 fvs builds, 2/18monk/fvs, 20 pure elven scimi user, 14 greatsword wf fvs (she too will be pure) this chick was 2/18 monk/fvs have a lvl 6 scimi str fvs too...)

I'm far from a Pure or Go Home type, I dont think anyone told you to go 20 FvS?

Drop Whirling Steel and Weapon Focus Slash, 2 Feats for what? 2 Wisdom, 2 Str? +1 DC +1 dm/hit for 2 Feats? Not worth it in my book specially if you are a complentionist. Grab GTWF and Improved Crit(use LitII Scims) or Power attack.

But like I said its hard to not play a divine bad when you can just kite a BB.

[Wildseed]

I'm far from a Pure or Go Home type, I dont think anyone told you to go 20 FvS?

Drop Whirling Steel and Weapon Focus Slash, 2 Feats for what? 2 Wisdom, 2 Str? +1 DC +1 dm/hit for 2 Feats? Not worth it in my book specially if you are a complentionist. Grab GTWF and Improved Crit(use LitII Scims) or Power attack.

But like I said its hard to not play a divine bad when you can just kite a BB.

Ahh okay I misunderstood, yes someone said the evoker build would do better for completionist (which is a pure build) Well thanks I think I will try that, I'm not too concerned with the whole centered thing although it is kinda fun, the weapon focus slash is totally not needed in my opinion and I wish could take whirling steel strike without it LOL but they made me! So, Okay, THanks I'll try to rethink/do it and post it later then

[Wildseed]

Although I can switch out the weapon focus feat for either improved crit slash or GTWF I can't switch whirling steel strike for either (monk feat) so would have to go with another toughness or power attack ... I'm thinking power attack. and GTWF maybe?

[Impaqt]

Although I can switch out the weapon focus feat for either improved crit slash or GTWF I can't switch whirling steel strike for either (monk feat) so would have to go with another toughness or power attack ... I'm thinking power attack. and GTWF maybe?

Two Weapon FIghting and TOughness can be taken as your 2 Monk feats.

ANd I didnt think you could even take WSS as a Monk feat?
Did they change that?

[Matuse]

yes someone said the evoker build would do better for completionist (which is a pure build)

Because it would. Especially with the past life selections you've made. You're not just going with 1 of each class, you are tripling up on Wiz/Sorc/FvS past lives, and that very VERY strongly tilts you towards massive spellcasting. But you're not doing massive spellcasting. Your spellcasting is going to end up pretty hampered by your overall build. As long as you are already planning on repeating classes several times, why not bulk up on Rogue/Monk lives and increase your melee? You clearly want to be meleeing...but you're also not really building for that.

Base 16 Wis + 2 Tome + 5 levels + 2 FvS enhancements = 25, but your build lists 24. So you're dropping a level-up point or an enhancement point somewhere. That's not ranking well in terms of maximizing spellcasting. Assume completionist style equipment: +1 litany, +7 mranon (sp) helm, +3 exceptional = 13, and taking an even numbered base stat makes even less sense.

[Wildseed]

Because it would. Especially with the past life selections you've made. You're not just going with 1 of each class, you are tripling up on Wiz/Sorc/FvS past lives, and that very VERY strongly tilts you towards massive spellcasting. But you're not doing massive spellcasting. Your spellcasting is going to end up pretty hampered by your overall build. As long as you are already planning on repeating classes several times, why not bulk up on Rogue/Monk lives and increase your melee? You clearly want to be meleeing...but you're also not really building for that.

Base 16 Wis + 2 Tome + 5 levels + 2 FvS enhancements = 25, but your build lists 24. So you're dropping a level-up point or an enhancement point somewhere. That's not ranking well in terms of maximizing spellcasting. Assume completionist style equipment: +1 litany, +7 mranon (sp) helm, +3 exceptional = 13, and taking an even numbered base stat makes even less sense.

hmm must've missed a lvl up, somewhere I am putting all pts in wis though lemme look back at it, Okay so I got you, If I put TWF at lvl 1 I can't put any magic feats in at lvl 1(which is why I picked toughness) I have the next monk lvl at lvl 19 (trying to get leap of faith) even if I do the monk lvl earlier, I'm not sure what I can take at lvl 1. Actually I'm going for a caster, not a melee, I find evasion's very good for survivability, and I like that, that's the reason I did this, I mean my 20 soul is fun but, it's no fun sitting back when evasion's needed.

[Wildseed]

This looks like the only way your suggestion will work, Is by taking fvs first, which loses me 3 skill points

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Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Female
(2 Monk \ 18 Favored Soul) 
Hit Points: 272
Spell Points: 1681 
BAB: 14\14\19\24
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 19
Will: 21

                  Starting            Ending          
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats        
(36 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)        
Strength             14                 18            
Dexterity            15                 20            
Constitution         13                 16            
Intelligence         11                 15            
Wisdom               16                 25            
Charisma             12                 16            

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               2                 11                   13
Bluff                 1                  3                    5
Concentration         4                 26                   28
Diplomacy             1                  3                    5
Disable Device        n/a               n/a                   n/a
Haggle                1                  3                    5
Heal                  3                  7                    9
Hide                  2                  5                    7
Intimidate            1                  3                    5
Jump                  2                  8                   10
Listen                3                  7                   11
Move Silently         2                  5                    7
Open Lock             n/a               n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                  2                    4
Search                0                  2                    6
Spot                  3                  7                   11
Swim                  2                  4                    6
Tumble                2.5                9                   11
Use Magic Device      3                 14                   16

Level 1 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Feat: (Diety) Favored by the Sovereign Host
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Bard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Favored Soul
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Favored Soul
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Favored Soul
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Ranger
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Sorcerer
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 3 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Completionist


Level 4 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS


Level 5 (Favored Soul)


Level 6 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Fire
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 7 (Favored Soul)


Level 8 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS


Level 9 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Favored Soul)


Level 11 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Acid


Level 12 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell


Level 13 (Favored Soul)


Level 14 (Favored Soul)


Level 15 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 16 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Cold


Level 17 (Favored Soul)


Level 18 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 19 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 20 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS

[wax_on_wax_off]

The reason there's no conc is cause there's no skill points spent at all, there will be conc in the actual build. The point of my builds are to have fun, I have fun with the non-completionist version of this build, and I figure I would have fun with this, when she runs outta mana her dmg is good for a non-fighter in TOD anyway, she's only gonna melee when starting/finishing a mob most of the time the bb will be talking . But nevermind it's obvious you guys are like, well pure or go home with this build so whatever, I'll do what I want, thanks for the advice. I'll keep my build as is. If you see somewhere I could fit GTWF and still be centered pls share since I'm short on feats but I am not gonna go pure. I'll start another project if I want a pure fvs ( I have had 5 fvs builds, 2/18monk/fvs, 20 pure elven scimi user, 14 greatsword wf fvs (she too will be pure) this chick was 2/18 monk/fvs have a lvl 6 scimi str fvs too...)

If you want to stay centered and have good DPS then go unarmed. Handwraps will deal vastly superior DPS in most situations.

In this case, racial choice is optional and you could look at human or half-elf (Half-elf with rogue dille would be great for extra melee DPS).

Don't get all defensive on your build just because some people gave it constructive criticism. Longswords cost 2 feats to use and give you a very small return on that large investment. You definitely need at least power attack on any build that you want to be melee capable.

I think getting completionist and then relying on 1 spell (blade barrier) is a bit of a waste, don't you? You definitely have the capacity to as a completionist to be good at spellcasting AND at melee, just takes some realism. Handwraps + power attack + GTWF is a very good start

[Wildseed]

Don't get all defensive on your build just because some people gave it constructive criticism. Longswords cost 2 feats to use and give you a very small return on that large investment. You definitely need at least power attack on any build that you want to be melee capable.

I think getting completionist and then relying on 1 spell (blade barrier) is a bit of a waste, don't you? You definitely have the capacity to as a completionist to be good at spellcasting AND at melee, just takes some realism. Handwraps + power attack + GTWF is a very good start

Okay, saying No this no that and no the other, isn't really "constructive" which is why I said, tell me HOW you would change it, not what you think it's missing as the way I did it I can't fit what you said in. In response to what I wrote, I got what I wanted, a breakdown. I'm willing to take constructive criticism, but someone telling me what it's missing and not what they would do differently is just criticism, not constructive.

[Wildseed]

Two Weapon FIghting and TOughness can be taken as your 2 Monk feats.

ANd I didnt think you could even take WSS as a Monk feat?
Did they change that?

Nope, I must've phrased it wrong WSS can be switched for anything, as it's not a monk feat, just not whirling steel strike (second monk feat)