VIP's get the short end of the Holiday sales....

[herzkos]

tht pretty much sums up why i went premium a while back.
With all the saved up points i had from vip plus one bonus pts deal i know own the entire game (minus wf as i'll never play those, heh). I had pts left to buy a TR token, +2 tomes set (x2) and still have pts left for anything new they plan on bringing out.

yeah... being vip just donsn't make any sense anymore. kinda wish it did though.

qft.


until such time as turbine starts pumping out around 6000 tp of worthwhile purchases every 6 months,
it's a much better deal to be a premium player. (buy the points when they are double value and you
even save a month's worth of a $9.99 sub on the deal).

[joneb1999]

These are the points I must consider for leaing DDO or staying:

For staying-

• Social aspect can be fun
• Very free action based gameplay
• Levelling different types of characters for variations on gameplay can be fun
• New content
• Occasional good offers on TP and content to buy

For leaving-

• VIP being weak
• Missing out on all the good offers to help going down the route of buying content because I am VIP
• Turbines ignorance to any serious customer concern that doesnt give them considerable bad publicity
• No matter what you do in the game in the end its mostly all down to DPS
• Certain grind getting old such as for certain named items and crafting ingredients and TR
• New games coming such as Guild Wars 2 which is the sequel to the first mmo type I ever played and really enjoyed
• New job starting soon meaning getting out and involved with real life again so social aspect not quite the draw it was

Conclusion- Turbine if I could have have bought the special offer adventure packs and certain other special offer content and then went to over to the paid for content model I was planning to buy more TP in the big bundle and going to buy much of the content on offer and some not. Later even if I am so busy and get tempted with new games I would then have a reason to comeback to DDO and buy more new adventure packs and very possibly more content. So going from VIP to owning content would still have been a benefit to you.

As it stands I can see myself dropping VIP soon for the reasons as quoted above and certainly wont be buying full price content after beng shafted on the special offers. Seeing as f2p isnt much good at high levels and end game I dont see any incentive to keep playing when I become f2p.

[Docgem]

When I brought this up over a week ago I got ripped a new one. Where were all the people who thought like this then? Yes there are items for VIPs but most of the stuff has been packs. I agree that Turbine makes most of its money from VIPs. In addition to the monthly fee, I don't know a single VIP who has not also bought extra packs of DDO points.

[TigrisMorte]

...I agree that Turbine makes most of its money from VIPs.....

Please provide back up for this. If this were true why would the F2P business model be so successful? If it was all about "F2P as demo to get VIP", why go to the expense of changing? Why not just continue offer free xx day passes?

Really fail to get the whole, "VIPs not getting enough..." posts.
Turbine very clearly spells out what each payment option gets you.
Each has pros and cons.

If you get buyer's remorse make a note to perform more preparatory research next time and move on.

[TigrisMorte]

...beng shafted on the special offers. Seeing as f2p isnt much good at high levels and end game I dont see any incentive to keep playing when I become f2p.

I'll ignore the est of your , uhhm, declaration of personal dissatisfaction as it is subjective and not really up to any discussion. Hope you have fun doing whatever you decide.

However I wish to point out you were in no way shafted on any special offer. If you were not eligible, you were not eligible. You want the child's discount on the buffet too?

Also,
should you cease your VIP, you become Premium, not "Free to Play".
You would then be subject to the limitations and receive the perks of your new account type. Just like you were subject to the limitations and received the perks of your prior account type.

Strangely this is exactly the same response I have when F2P whine that it isn't free if they have to grind for points to get it.

[joneb1999]

I'll ignore the est of your , uhhm, declaration of personal dissatisfaction as it is subjective and not really up to any discussion. Hope you have fun doing whatever you decide.

However I wish to point out you were in no way shafted on any special offer. If you were not eligible, you were not eligible. You want the child's discount on the buffet too?

Also,
should you cease your VIP, you become Premium, not "Free to Play".
You would then be subject to the limitations and receive the perks of your new account type. Just like you were subject to the limitations and received the perks of your prior account type.

Strangely this is exactly the same response I have when F2P whine that it isn't free if they have to grind for points to get it.

That last sentence has absolute no comparison. Grind doesnt cost any money unless you are grinding content you paid for funnily enough. Buying TP does. Paying for VIP does.

Premium is barely any better than free to play when you have 7 toons total, shared bank, and all the content. Some people wil make the silliest arguments and some people are blind to a fair argument.

When you pay top price you expect the lot so when you pay for an adult buffet you expect to get adult portions as being an adult you may eat much more than a young child. When you pay for VIP you also expect the lot in regards to what free and premium get but enhanced.

When you compare VIP, free and premium Turbine are hyping VIP so much as having much more than the other deals its easy to go into the VIP deal thinking funnily enough that VIP includes all the benefits of free, premium and more. But it doesnt as it misses out allowing a VIP to buy content. Thats like paying for the adult buffet and being told later you cant have the fries though the kids get them.

http://www.ddo.com/vip

[flynnjsw]

Thats like paying for the adult buffet and being told later you cant have the fries though the kids get them.

http://www.ddo.com/vip

NO, see this is where you are a bit off. You already have the fries, but what YOU want, is to be able to buy some at the kiddie price to eat later and not have to spend as much.

[DnD3]

NO, see this is where you are a bit off. You already have the fries, but what YOU want, is to be able to buy some at the kiddie price to eat later and not have to spend as much.

You are off too, since you are talking about food: Actually Its more like signing for a macdonalds monthly meal plan where they send a meal every day to your house for 30 days, seeing a macdonalds advertisement where they have whoopers for half the price for everyone and going to the shop just to find out you are excluded and have to pay full price because you are currently signed on their monthly meal deal.

[Vellrad]

You are off too, since you are talking about food: Actually Its more like signing for a macdonalds monthly meal plan where they send a meal every day to your house for 30 days, seeing a macdonalds advertisement where they have whoopers for half the price for everyone and going to the shop just to find out you are excluded and have to pay full price because you are currently signed on their monthly meal deal.

It can't be compared to food, because when you eat food its gone forever.

I would compare it to parking space for company.
VIP is like hiring space for all workers, while P2P is like buying out space for 1 car until the parking is no more.
While renting whole parking they won't let you buyout space for single car.

[TigrisMorte]

That last sentence has absolute no comparison.
Your right, no comparison what so ever between complaining about the restrictions of the chosen account type, yup no difference if you ignore the "exactly the same" factor.

Grind doesnt cost any money unless you are grinding content you paid for funnily enough. Buying TP does. Paying for VIP does. Well other than getting TP for favor, which is exactly what I was referring to, obviously. In which case that is exactly the same, no cost in money.

Premium is barely any better than free to play when you have 7 toons total, shared bank, and all the content. Or if your premium, like I am, with 15 slots (alcoholics, yeah!) shared bank, all packs, etc... But that was my choice. You chose VIP and the perks and limitations that comes with it. All very clearly spelled out. Sorry you have regrets, Again, I say more research prior equals less regret after.
Or of course if you notice that the difference is starting with twice as many slots, and none of the various F2P account restrictions. But yup, no difference.
Some people wil make the silliest arguments and some people are blind to a fair argument. Yes, yes they will. Fair arguments like, "you got exactly what they said you would get for what you paid." very silly that.

When you pay top price you expect the lot so when you pay for an adult buffet you expect to get adult portions as being an adult you may eat much more than a young child. You fail buffet. The only portions are what you choose. That is the definition of buffet.

When you pay for VIP you also expect the lot in regards to what free and premium get but enhanced. Expect what ever you like you still got what you paid for

When you compare VIP, free and premium Turbine are hyping VIP so much as having much more than the other deals its easy to go into the VIP deal thinking funnily enough that VIP includes all the benefits of free, premium and more. But it doesnt as it misses out allowing a VIP to buy content. Thats like paying for the adult buffet and being told later you cant have the fries though the kids get them.

http://www.ddo.com/vip

Well, if fries are on the kids buffet and not the adult buffet ...
VIP get access to all content with the VIP. Which part of you can't buy for what you already have is confusing? What would they want to promote VIP dumping VIP as soon as they have bought the content?

Did you not just state you think premium is not much better than F2P?
This is the same as it was when you signed up for VIP. I don't think you have a valid complaint.
OK, I've said everything there is to say. and recommend you enjoy whatever account you have.

[joneb1999]

Well, if fries are on the kids buffet and not the adult buffet ...
VIP get access to all content with the VIP. Which part of you can't buy for what you already have is confusing? What would they want to promote VIP dumping VIP as soon as they have bought the content?

Did you not just state you think premium is not much better than F2P?
This is the same as it was when you signed up for VIP. I don't think you have a valid complaint.
OK, I've said everything there is to say. and recommend you enjoy whatever account you have.

Think what you want mate. It seems the argument is lost in attitudes, opinions, interpretations and such and there is no objectivity. Bottom line is Turbine hooked me to DDO now they are turning me away completely. Now if DDO was the only game in existence I would be worried. For some reason I dont care and the more that people in the DDO community show ignorance the less I care as unfortunately the community is the large part of what is a social game.

Right now Im still involved in the debate as Im just enjoying the banter and trying to see if it is at all possible to make people understand my pov but the forums are taking up to much of my time and the debate is going nowhere. I want to cap my TR cleric then move on and Im not spending enough time playing. lol

[Dysmetria]

Think what you want mate. It seems the argument is lost in attitudes, opinions, interpretations and such and there is no objectivity. Bottom line is Turbine hooked me to DDO now they are turning me away completely. Now if DDO was the only game in existence I would be worried. For some reason I dont care and the more that people in the DDO community show ignorance the less I care as unfortunately the community is the large part of what is a social game.

Right now Im still involved in the debate as Im just enjoying the banter and trying to see if it is at all possible to make people understand my pov but the forums are taking up to much of my time and the debate is going nowhere. I want to cap my TR cleric then move on and Im not spending enough time playing. lol

If they were turning you away completely I doubt you would be worried about capping your TR cleric and not spending enough time playing.

[joneb1999]

If they were turning you away completely I doubt you would be worried about capping your TR cleric and not spending enough time playing.

Well I bought xp pots and want to finish what I started with him. I should be able to do it wthin the next month easy.

I wil tell you what games I see on the horizon for me. Guild Wars 2 for mmo very probably or maybe Tera, Star Wars or Secret World. Teras action oriented gameplay model sounds interesting. I didn't enjoy the Rifts beta though it was just the first beta. Single player RPGs are Mass Effect 1, 2, 3 and The Witcher 2.

The thing is if Turbine was to have made it possible for me to buy that special offer content at Christmas it could have provided some hook to pop in and out the game and buy points over time to purchase new content. Possibly though it could still happen in time though if what happened with Guild Wars is anything to go by the longer Im away from the game and playing something else I most probably wil not go back.

[Dysmetria]

Well I bought xp pots and want to finish what I started with him. I should be able to do it wthin the next month easy.

I wil tell you what games I see on the horizon for me. Guild Wars 2 for mmo very probably or maybe Tera, Star Wars or Secret World. Teras action oriented gameplay model sounds interesting. I didn't enjoy the Rifts beta though it was just the first beta. Single player RPGs are Mass Effect 1, 2, 3 and The Witcher 2.

The thing is if Turbine was to have made it possible for me to buy that special offer content at Christmas it could have provided some hook to pop in and out the game and buy points over time to purchase new content. Possibly though it could still happen in time though if what happened with Guild Wars is anything to go by the longer Im away from the game and playing something else I most probably wil not go back.

As you are well aware it was possible for you and everyone else uselessly complaining in these threads to call in and get their VIP status temporarily revoked so they could take advantage of those offers. Likewise you could have downgraded from VIP beforehand if you wanted to take advantage of them all and waited like most premium and former VIPs had to do.

We've heard your weak excuses, you've cut and pasted them in multiple threads because apparently your own thread wasn't getting you enough attention. Now it is time to do as you claim you will and leave, or at least stop spamming and trolling with your idle threats about doing so.

[TigrisMorte]

Think what you want mate. It seems the argument is lost in attitudes, opinions, interpretations and such and there is no objectivity. Bottom line is Turbine hooked me to DDO now they are turning me away completely. Now if DDO was the only game in existence I would be worried. For some reason I dont care and the more that people in the DDO community show ignorance the less I care as unfortunately the community is the large part of what is a social game.

Right now Im still involved in the debate as Im just enjoying the banter and trying to see if it is at all possible to make people understand my pov but the forums are taking up to much of my time and the debate is going nowhere. I want to cap my TR cleric then move on and Im not spending enough time playing. lol

Afraid I understand your point of view precisely. Many folks have it these days about a great many things.
You are dissatisfied with the consequences of your decision and want to work out how it is someone else's fault and complain about how someone else should fix it for you.
Pretty obvious, simple, and clear.
Turbine actually has a support line that is precisely for resolving little petty annoyances such as this. Works great but is a bit slow so tedious. If your whine was how they left you on hold for an hour before courteously responding to your issue, you'd have a point. Unfortunately you do not.
"Well, goodbye Earthman," he said to Arthur, "hope the lifestyle comes together."

[joneb1999]

Afraid I understand your point of view precisely. Many folks have it these days about a great many things.
You are dissatisfied with the consequences of your decision and want to work out how it is someone else's fault and complain about how someone else should fix it for you.
Pretty obvious, simple, and clear.
Turbine actually has a support line that is precisely for resolving little petty annoyances such as this. Works great but is a bit slow so tedious. If your whine was how they left you on hold for an hour before courteously responding to your issue, you'd have a point. Unfortunately you do not.
"Well, goodbye Earthman," he said to Arthur, "hope the lifestyle comes together."

Its simple feedback to Turbine. That they can do with as they please. And I will do as I please. Next game.

Anyone else got a completely irrelevant rant for me?

[Robi3.0]

The sales this month really made me wish I had just cancelled both my subs and not just one. Lots for Premium players out there, the $10 deal for new VIPS, pretty much nothing for long time VIP customers... I don't feel like Turbine thinks I'm a Very Important Person...

Sorry your just as important as everyone else.

IMO, Turbine should change VIP to mean Verified Incoming Payment, and be done with this your more important guise they have going.

That being said VIPs are just as important as everyone else and while they may not need as much as premium players they should still be offered deals that cater to what their wants and needs.

If Turbine does knows what VIPs want Turbine needs to ask. I am sure there are more then enough people will to give suggestions.

[Robi3.0]

Its simple feedback to Turbine. That they can do with as they please. And I will do as I please. Next game.

Anyone else got a completely irrelevant rant for me?

What the hell was up with the movie Cloverfield, I don't think that I have ever been more disappointed in a movie since Small Soldiers.

I get it was suppose to be ooohhhh, this is really, but at what point does realism take a back seat to watch-ability. The shaky camera work made me so sick that I had to leave the movie theater for several minutes to vomit.

The "Blaire witch" camera POV is just a accuse for half-ass'd film makers to get away with not paying a team of people to man cameras. It is really quit lame, and directors should really think hard about offing themselves before stooping to such gimmicks in the future.