Is selling raid loot you rolled on cool?

[Cyr]

You have to be in the game to loot chests.... where are ya fool?

Taking another break from the game. That halloween event kind killed my desire to play for a few months. Nothing more boring then grinding out kills of something.

Probably will start playing again sometime in the next couple weeks bud.

[rexservorum]

I made my argument on a thread on my server's forum that could better express my point. Take a look if you have interest: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=293109

Thank you for posting that link; I read it and now have a much better understanding of your argument. It sounds like we agree that there is no way to quantify need, but that an auction does prove a real intent to make use of something.

[Folonius]

I'd say no what do you think?

Personally, I could care less. If I put it up for roll, I don't care where it goes after that.

On the flip side, no ... It's not cool. The vast majority of people don't like it when someone rolls on an item jsut to give that item away again as it gives unfair advantages to the person who actually wants it, ie more than one roll.

Now, if I'm running a shroud, and someone pipes up and offers 2 large devil scales for a shard of power when we start running the shroud, and I pull a shard of power, I wouldn't have any remorse in selling that shard of power to the guy who wants to give me 2 large devil scales. Heck, even if I needed the shard of power for myself, I'd sell it anyways for that much.

[hermespan]

yea... lame.

The question I have is how would you know they sold it? Did you do this or did someone tell you they did it? There's no way to know otherwise.

Some who told members of the raid they intended to do this after they rolled on it, won it and looted it, is asking for trouble...

[Raveneia]

yeah its stupid..it's saying "hey I have more plat than anyone else I can buy anything"

Just do it the old fashioned way and roll

unbound loot can be sold too and usually does get traded or put up on the AH a few hours after that raid


It's what you decide to do with your loot I guess

but I would never sell my raid drops to anyone they are always put up for roll.

[Folonius]

[ddoer]

Personally, I could care less. If I put it up for roll, I don't care where it goes after that.

On the flip side, no ... It's not cool. The vast majority of people don't like it when someone rolls on an item jsut to give that item away again as it gives unfair advantages to the person who actually wants it, ie more than one roll.

If player A put a loot up for roll, player B win it and sell to player C. The money should go to player A but not player B.

[LordPiglet]

Its wrong to auction it if u won the roll but not if u got it as u opened the chest, Both though are in bad taste however. Now offering to buy or trade for the item if someone else won the roll is ok i think because if in 1st case person might roll just to sell it in this 2nd case person is more likely to need the item and therefor would be making a sacrifice buy not looting it and selling it to someone who wanted it bad enough to offer something possibly more valuble instead.

I don't agree with buying and selling, especially if you won a roll, If you're going to offier, make it in advance, don't do it after you've lost the roll. Yes, I can see how that person has to make a choice, but now you've ****ed the person who the item dropped for out of that plat, scales, etc that you decided to trade your freebie gift for.

[mudfud]

While this may be true, i certainly dont defile the good name of popcorn by putting that junk on it!

While my kids have eaten some stuff i'd never eat, I think I'm gonna have them try that for kicks.
I know half the people in this thread are missing the days of runes for raid items. And the other half are missing when you could enter the raid after completion and loot the raid loot.

[moops]

It's wrong. It would get you blacklisted from any raid that I lead, and Id prob drop any group that you join.

Most people in QE put all their loot up for roll for the whole group if it is not needed, and many times even if other guildies have been pining over the loot for weeks. . .Its just a huge slap in the face if someone wins it just to auction it off or even pass it to someone else.

[Quikster]

yea... lame.

The question I have is how would you know they sold it? Did you do this or did someone tell you they did it? There's no way to know otherwise.

Some who told members of the raid they intended to do this after they rolled on it, won it and looted it, is asking for trouble...

Yeah this stemmed from someone who won an item then traded it in the chest to someone else, got cheated and came here complaining about getting cheated.

[nolaureltree000]

if its BtC and i cant use it, its going up for roll. none of that 'i need it for a TR' BS either. i might limit who can roll on the item too. if its a healing item ill give a full cleric or fvs preference to it rather than a pally.

if its unbound or BtA and either my current toon or one of my alts needs it, im going to keep it. if i dont have any need for it, then ill put it up for roll.

[vyvy3369]

I don't think the one has more plats has more need. It is obviously. I never compare the degree of needs. There is no way to compare. But you can compare two systems: auctioning vs unconditional roll. auctioning roughly guarantee the one who win has need, but unconditional roll does not. An alternative way has mentioned briefly on my thread is to use a minimum fee auction.

An even better alternative for judging need: first dX gets it. The people who need it, know right away that they want it. The people who kinda want it, or have to check if they already have it, etc. have to look first and thus tend to lose.

It also works pretty well at avoiding roll drama - occasionally someone mis-reads people's dice, someone goes AFK and decides they want to roll after it's already been passed, etc.

[vVAnjilaVv]

Seconded. Only roll on something if you're going to use it. (This also goes for people who roll on something to pass to a friend, basically giving the other person 2 rolls...)

I had this happen to me the other day in a raid......won a roll....rolled a 100 in fact...the raid leader deemed the only other person that rolled on the item needed it more than I did than rolled on the item....like your gonna beat a roll of 100 anyways....very humorously after losing his roll with a roll of 98...everyone sat at the chest in a moment of perplexion.

Then the moron of a raid leader tries to say my roll didn't count because I had put mine item up first....except I made my die roll number unique so there was a clear distinction between who was rolling for my item and who was rolling for the other item.

Both rolls which were made before anyone rolled on mine were clearly for the item I rolled on as they were for a standard d100 roll. Basically the raid leader was trying to nullify both rolls and force me to re-roll hoping I would lose so he could then pass the item.

Well this is the real kicker.....true justice prevailed because the named item I pulled.....the winning roll came from the person who pulled the item I rolled and won on.

So after sitting there for a while the person who won my item asks if I am gonna pass it to him......I said sure as soon as I get my item.

I love it when fate shoves it in the face of people up to shady business and there is nothing they can do about it...it's truly a beautiful thing.

[Kinerd]

yep was in that run and not cool imo....everyone put forth an effort to complete the raid...why should any1 have too spend plat or trade items to get a piece of raid loot that they helped complete...A. keep the loot...B. give to guildie/friend...C. put it up for roll....selling/trading/ buying raid loot is not cool imo...but yes it is ylyc...but if i personally only had 1pp to my name i still wouldnt try to sell my loot, especially if i just won the roll on it...this is just my opinion

They don't, though. Everyone has an equal chance at getting the loot in the chest. Consider an analogue to your statement: why should anyone have to spend US dollars to get access to the Drow race? If someone doesn't have the funds to buy Drow, they can unlock it via grinding - I think everyone will agree that this isn't a terribly unfair way of doing things. Likewise, if someone doesn't have the funds to compete with whomever in a loot auction, they can (eventually) get the loot by grinding out completions.

I still wouldn't do it because I think it's impolite, but I'm still not sure I've seen any reasonable arguments put forward against it.

[Filipinomaids]

Selling Raid is not good.

In my sides,raid loot is not 2 men's business.It is from all teammates work,so it should be a treasure for all teammates

[Forlan]

Does this count for the chain shirt and breastplate from HoX too? I thought they were BtC vendor trash.

I don't get why ppl hate on the breastplate. the chain shirt yea vendor trash. but that bp destruction -4 ac. use it all the time on my rogue mix. makes up for only having a 16 ba if u ask me. far from useless. (and yes improved is better but beats switching out for it after every attack.)

[Quikster]

I don't get why ppl hate on the breastplate. the chain shirt yea vendor trash. but that bp destruction -4 ac. use it all the time on my rogue mix. makes up for only having a 16 ba if u ask me. far from useless. (and yes improved is better but beats switching out for it after every attack.)

cuz some of us have been watching that stuff drop all the time for years. Besides I like dt better. Oh and since they changed the look of it back to those white pjs UGH.

[likeplaying]

I think this thread is absolutely"The bad guy is the first to sling accusations",most of people dont know what happened ,Before I loot my SOS,cheater told me(not in party channel) I have items for EP SOS,plz sell it to me. I cant describe how many words he sent to me ,its full of my chat displays.Actually,he beg for my SOS as a miserable dog,at last ,I give SOS to him out of pity,but he didnt keep his promise,I never say I want to sell SOS in my party chat dispalys,I never tell anyone i want to sell sos.He sent message to me before i loot my SOS.OK,the answer is clear,that man is a cheater,he just want to cheat me of my SOS with his blandishments,I just want to tell more people "He's a scurvy wretch"!!!

[Thelmallen]

cuz some of us have been watching that stuff drop all the time for years. Besides I like dt better. Oh and since they changed the look of it back to those white pjs UGH.

Why did they change it back, anyway? The dark skin looked quite cool, I thought. Maybe it was a scheme to get people to want to spend TP on armor appearance kits.