Price check on two items

[underworldx1x]

How much are these two items worth

+5 holy silver kama of righteousness
+2 metalline falchion of greater lawful outsider bane (for capstone pally)

Thanks in advance

[underworldx1x]

47 views and still no reply

[~Sleezee]

Vendor trash and vendor trash. There is your reply.

[underworldx1x]

Vendor trash, are you sure? Here are my thoughts of the items, i just don't no the right price for them:

+5 holy silver kama of righteousness: this is the best dr breaking kama you are likely to find (aside from a min 2, and this actually has more to hit because of righteousness). It also has the side bonus of not requiring good or 20 UMD. This is IMO and great item until you get a TOD ring, and even though kamas are not the best weapon choice its still a nice item

+2 metalline falchion of GLOB. Falchion is the best weapon for paladins and is very comparable to a min 2, on a weapon type that paladins cant get a holy sword in. (assuming acid immunity and improved crit, expected for most raid boss fights)

Math: GLOB falchion is the equivalent of +6, while the min 2 is +5 with a +2 damage (2d6 vs 2d4) for being greensteel: green steel wins by 1.3 for crits or 1.15 with 50% fort
GLOB vs holy + slicing; 3d6 = 10.5 vs 2d6 = 7 + 1d4 = 2.5 =, 9.5 : GLOB wins by 1
So the GLOB is .3*fort damage per a swing so usually .15 where you would use it behind a Min 2, with an additional +1 to hit

I really hope these aren't vendor trash because then i have to rethink the way i value items

[~Sleezee]

The ML on them is to high on both them items, thats the problem with them.

[underworldx1x]

The ML on them is to high on both them items, thats the problem with them.

There DR breakers, the ML is fine IMO. I'm sorry but you are either a troll, or one of us is really wrong on our opinion on what items are worth. I can understand you saying something like kamas are worthless and paladins should just use a holy sword greatsword (okay not really but thats still better then saying their ML is to high)

[Qezuzu]

The ML on them is to high on both them items, thats the problem with them.

I dub thee troll.

The Kama, being a Kama, isn't anything special. If it was on maybe a bastard sword even it might be worth more but Kama's just aren't very good. Might be valuable for someone with a light monk splash. It's not vendor trash but I wouldn't put it up for very high.

The Falchion is pretty valuable. I'm not sure what to price it at but Sleezee is being a moron/troll.

[shad0wguns]

well with falchions u cant beat my +5 metalline of pure good and icy burst :P

[underworldx1x]

well with falchions u cant beat my +5 metalline of pure good and icy burst :P

Actually for paladins (and assuming enemy is lawful outsider) my falchion is the equivalent of +6 holy silver of pure good, and the icy burst does nothing against raid bosses, what this falchion is meant for, about 8 damage ahead of yours

[ConnorMacLoad]

Just throwing numbers out there from my perspective on my server (cannith) since you have not gotten any so far.

Kama: 20kpp
Falchion:100-130kpp

[underworldx1x]

Just throwing numbers out there from my perspective on my server (cannith) since you have not gotten any so far.

Kama: 20kpp
Falchion:100-130kpp

Thanks for the numbers

Only 20k for the kama, i know its a kama but still +5 holy silver of righteousness is pretty nice. I used it until i got to lv 18 on my light monk, but a dark monk would have to craft a tod ring or get MOPG handwraps. This may also be a great weapon for a clonk, especially with the extra to hit from righteousness

[Cam_Neely]

'm sorry but you are either a troll, or one of us is really wrong on our opinion on what items are worth.

put your money where your mouth is then. Put them both in the AH, 3 days, minimum bid price, and then report back.

See you in 72 hours

[ConnorMacLoad]

Thanks for the numbers

Only 20k for the kama, i know its a kama but still +5 holy silver of righteousness is pretty nice. I used it until i got to lv 18 on my light monk, but a dark monk would have to craft a tod ring or get MOPG handwraps. This may also be a great weapon for a clonk, especially with the extra to hit from righteousness

It's only really good on a dark monk, as on a light monk it is only a +5 holy of righteous. Those are ok, but not amazing. Even then, on a dark monk it is only good for a very limited window of time, as they will get TOD rings soon after needing this for raids. Also, handwraps do so much more damage than kamas. Almost every single dark monk I know farms the devouts (including clonks) so these sort of items for them are just not sought after.

The kama is what I call a tranny item. On first glance it might look really good, but with further examination you notice it is shockingly useless

The falchion however is very nice, and is better on a capstone pally than their holy sword. It should be worth something to the educated pally.

These are just my views on the items. Some may not share those views, but at least it is some feedback.

[underworldx1x]

put your money where your mouth is then. Put them both in the AH, 3 days, minimum bid price, and then report back.

See you in 72 hours

I would do this, but we would have to make a bet on it, that way if, erm when they sell i still get my money

I'm not angry he said there worthless, im angry he didn't give a reason, or that his reason is totally not valid.

connor said the kama is 20kpp which is pretty close to vendor trash, but he gave a reason. I value his opinion. If sleezy thinks the min lv being to high is the reason that these are worthless, then he shouldn't be giving advice. Even I know that the min lv is fine on a dr breaker, and i'm the one asking for advice

[THOTHdha]

Vendor trash, are you sure? Here are my thoughts of the items, i just don't no the right price for them:

+5 holy silver kama of righteousness: this is the best dr breaking kama you are likely to find (aside from a min 2, and this actually has more to hit because of righteousness). It also has the side bonus of not requiring good or 20 UMD. This is IMO and great item until you get a TOD ring, and even though kamas are not the best weapon choice its still a nice item

Kama are really not useful. Even without a ToD ring for holy damage, monks would want handwraps over these.

+2 metalline falchion of GLOB. Falchion is the best weapon for paladins and is very comparable to a min 2, on a weapon type that paladins cant get a holy sword in. (assuming acid immunity and improved crit, expected for most raid boss fights)

Math: GLOB falchion is the equivalent of +6, while the min 2 is +5 with a +2 damage (2d6 vs 2d4) for being greensteel: green steel wins by 1.3 for crits or 1.15 with 50% fort
GLOB vs holy + slicing; 3d6 = 10.5 vs 2d6 = 7 + 1d4 = 2.5 =, 9.5 : GLOB wins by 1
So the GLOB is .3*fort damage per a swing so usually .15 where you would use it behind a Min 2, with an additional +1 to hit

This would be an amazing item if it were Greater Evil Outsider Bane. Lawful Outsider is still nice, but much less useful. You should not expect premium prices for this, not many people would really be interested in it.

I really hope these aren't vendor trash because then i have to rethink the way i value items

I think that a little bit of a rethink is in order.