Fort is the new dump stat!

[stoopid_cowboy]

Has anyone else noticed what seems like a new trend among arcanes? Many new upcoming wiz's/sorc's have high con and decent hp's. However, they seem to not put any time nor effort into FORTIFICATION.
Has anyone else noticed this? I was part of a fail Shroud last night (yes they still happen) where both of the party arcanes, one was and elf sorc and the other a WF wiz, were one shotted by Harry at the start of part 4. Unfortunately, they were both standing next to one of the healers and he was taken out too...
As the party was re-forming I looked up both players on myddo (which appears to be somewhat working again). The sorc had 284hp and 0% fort. The Wiz had 364hp and 25% fort. Correct me if I am wrong (which I have been known to be quite often) but shouldn't casters have heavy fort too?
Looks like the word has been spread that Con is not a dump stat. Should we start the next promotion about fort?

yuda

p.s. This is not a Shroud complaint thread.

[kernal42]

A character without fortification? That's daft, even on arcanes! I really can't imagine what sort of player would do this.

-Kernal

[mws2970]

p.s. This is not a Shroud complaint thread.

And I was so hoping it would be! LOL :P

I have to agree that Fort seems to be something quite a few people don't pay attention to. It's so easy to get too! Heck, I'll even farm the Orchard for the Taps for people and sell a set of 20 for 100k plat if people wanna be that lazy.

[ddobard1]

It's Fortification and Blindness Ward!

[Otherworld]

Myddo's still broken so might as well be another reason. (At least for me and several others it's broken. My lvl16 bard's still lvl 5 there)

[stoopid_cowboy]

Myddo's still broken so might as well be another reason. (At least for me and several others it's broken. My lvl16 bard's still lvl 5 there)

All of my characters are up to date... Even my TR barb that I have been power leveling. /shrug

[samthedagger]

Has anyone else noticed what seems like a new trend among arcanes? Many new upcoming wiz's/sorc's have high con and decent hp's. However, they seem to not put any time nor effort into FORTIFICATION.
Has anyone else noticed this? I was part of a fail Shroud last night (yes they still happen) where both of the party arcanes, one was and elf sorc and the other a WF wiz, were one shotted by Harry at the start of part 4. Unfortunately, they were both standing next to one of the healers and he was taken out too...
As the party was re-forming I looked up both players on myddo (which appears to be somewhat working again). The sorc had 284hp and 0% fort. The Wiz had 364hp and 25% fort. Correct me if I am wrong (which I have been known to be quite often) but shouldn't casters have heavy fort too?
Looks like the word has been spread that Con is not a dump stat. Should we start the next promotion about fort?

yuda

p.s. This is not a Shroud complaint thread.

I wouldn't necessarily rely on MyDDO to tell you whether or not someone has heavy fort. No matter what the slot is, I often have something else I switch to for various purposes, so it might not stay equipped all the time. I usually remember to switch to it during quests, but sometimes I forget to switch when logging out. If MyDDO takes its snapshot while I'm logged out, you might see my character without heavy fort.

But yeah, not having heavy fort by the time you hit Shroud is kinda crazy. I think part of the problem with some of the newer players is lack of knowledge for how best to obtain it. It can be equipped at min level 9, but some newer players don't have the plat to lay down for an appropriate item on AH when they do reach 9th level. And while running Relic is a good way to get it, new players will blanch at running a level 12 quest at level 9, even though there are those of us who know better. And on top of that, I have been in Relic groups who skip the ore collection portion of that quest because "it's optional" or adopt an everyman for himself attitude.

[PopeJual]

I'm okay with a character having only a medium fort item... as long as they're WF.

I honestly can't think of any reason to have less than 100% fortification past level 12 other than simply not knowing that fortification exists.

[Solmage]

Amusingly, whether the casters had or didn't have fort has no bearing whatsoever in getting one shotted by harry in part 4, since fort does not apply to spells.

What does apply is your reflex save (if you have one - highly recommended) and any buffs you have available, such as fire shield.

So we take a 400 damage fireball (say from a crit), and we end up with:

400 x 0.5 (reflex save) = 200 x 0.5 (fire shield) = 100 * 0.7 (greaves absorption) = 70 - 30 (resists) = 40 damage - point at harry and laugh. (I'm rusty, math may be off, but yeah we casters with a reflex save were laughing at harry's fireballs on elite even when the cap was 16 and hitpoints were much lower)

[bendover]

I thought con was the dump stat. Was I wrong?

[MorningStarSE]

0.o Even my no-tweaked wizard has more Fort and HP on average.. (yeah i bit less HP then the WF wizzie but he's not that much higher..

[Ciaran]

Casters should have fort, no question. I've been lazy in getting Minos for mine so I've just been using a mod fort ring.

Still, I wouldn't rely on MyDDO to always give a good indication of if somebody has fort or not; I often forget to take my haggle 15 helmet off and put Minos back on, so that's what gets updated on MyDDO. Sad thing is I've run Hound, ToD, Shroud with my haggle item on and miraculously stayed alive!

Heavy Fort is clearly overrated!

[Chai]

Has anyone else noticed what seems like a new trend among arcanes? Many new upcoming wiz's/sorc's have high con and decent hp's. However, they seem to not put any time nor effort into FORTIFICATION.
Has anyone else noticed this? I was part of a fail Shroud last night (yes they still happen) where both of the party arcanes, one was and elf sorc and the other a WF wiz, were one shotted by Harry at the start of part 4. Unfortunately, they were both standing next to one of the healers and he was taken out too...
As the party was re-forming I looked up both players on myddo (which appears to be somewhat working again). The sorc had 284hp and 0% fort. The Wiz had 364hp and 25% fort. Correct me if I am wrong (which I have been known to be quite often) but shouldn't casters have heavy fort too?
Looks like the word has been spread that Con is not a dump stat. Should we start the next promotion about fort?

yuda

p.s. This is not a Shroud complaint thread.

Casters being one shotted isnt necessarily an indication of no fort.

Also: MyDDO is broke as a joke. Not only does it not update when its supposed to, but it only shows what gear someone has on when they log off. A haggle item could easily be in the same slot as a fort item.

P.S. That DQ you jumped out of with the 4 casters you claimed would cause auto fail for the raid for some weird reason, we succeeded, easily. Any 2 of us could have duoed that. It was the group leader who didnt have his stuff together. We should have reformed without him instead of splitting off.

[Lithic]

I was part of a fail Shroud last night (yes they still happen) where both of the party arcanes, one was and elf sorc and the other a WF wiz, were one shotted by Harry at the start of part 4. Unfortunately, they were both standing next to one of the healers and he was taken out too...

Unless your arcanes and healer were within shadowhump range of Arraetrekos, they could only have been taken out my a meteor swarm or delayed blast fireball. Neither of which are affected by heavy fort.

Your problem was not lack of fortification, it was lack of resist fire, and lack of melees smart enough to block the path from harry to the healers. Or possibly the overabundance of casters/healers that like to melee harry with thier potency daggers.

I do agree that everyone should have 100% fort though.

[Solmage]

Casters should have fort, no question. I've been lazy in getting Minos for mine so I've just been using a mod fort ring.

Still, I wouldn't rely on MyDDO to always give a good indication of if somebody has fort or not; I often forget to take my haggle 15 helmet off and put Minos back on, so that's what gets updated on MyDDO. Sad thing is I've run Hound, ToD, Shroud with my haggle item on and miraculously stayed alive!

Heavy Fort is clearly overrated!

That's exactly why I switched to a haggle +15 necklace on all my characters (Well, except for those without epic cloaks of concord and such)

[Sarisa]

One rogue in the Shroud complained to a friend's Warchanter when Inspire Recklessness was cast since he now had -10% fort. He seriously didn't see a problem with having 0%, but -10% was an abomination.

[Acehole31]

One rogue in the Shroud complained to a friend's Warchanter when Inspire Recklessness was cast since he now had -10% fort. He seriously didn't see a problem with having 0%, but -10% was an abomination.

Win.

[BansheeMalthus]

As part of the shroud run mentioned, and as the cleric who got popped, I feel I must input. For the record I had Resist, 100% fort, and pro elements, SR, pretty much all the buffs one could get with casters, healers, annd bards. Now this is no slight to OP, cause he didnt stay around for the discussion, but said sorc stated that he had heavy fort(minos) and had swapped it out for a clickie and meant to swap it back, but forgot in his haste. As for what killed the casters and me, cause they ran to my aura for healing, was not 1 but 2 meteor swarms. In my haste to pick up some spot heals I neglected my own Hit points and payed the penalty. Sometimes people screw up. The OP should have stuck around though, cause we went back in, and rocked Harry.

[Roman]

I used to have 0 fort until I got married. Once the wife 1-shots you a few times, you wisen up.

[donfilibuster]

Depends, if the sorc is wf it might be relying on its own fort, though naturally u need at least moderate fort to be covered.
Now if it is a wiz they have fort while in the pale master form.