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  1. 12-15-2010, 12:37 PM #1
    Failedlegend
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    Default Raging Performer (Feedback/CC Much aprreciated)

    Hey guys I've been trying to build an effective stick-user and ive gone through several different variants the latest being a 13Rogue/7Monk (with a possible 6monk/1fighter or ranger) but it still didn't seem right so now I'm trying a Half-Orc 13Rogue(Acrobat)/6Barb(Frenzy)/1Fighter (searched Barb Acro and only found a thread that's a 1/2 a year old) and so far (on paper) it seems awesome not exactly gonna make it in the Top 20 DPS but should be pretty close and it moves crazy fast for both attack and movement speed. Anyways as I said before (in other threads) I don't really know whats melee's need so some constructive criticism would be very welcome....well without further adieu Here's the build.

    The main questions I have are:

    A) Can you use both rage and frenzy simultaneously?

    B) What's the formula for Rage length I think it has something to do with your Con Mod, Barb lvl and enhancements but I'm not sure.

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Level 20 True Neutral Half-Orc Male
(1 Fighter \ 6 Barbarian \ 13 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 302
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 16\16\21\26\26
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 15
Will: 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    27
Dexterity            14                    21
Constitution         16                    18
Intelligence         12                    14
Wisdom                8                    10
Charisma              6                     8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    34
Bluff                -2                    -1
Concentration         2                     4
Diplomacy             2                    22
Disable Device        5                    25
Haggle               -2                    -1
Heal                 -1                     0
Hide                  3                     5
Intimidate           -2                    -1
Jump                  8                    19
Listen               -1                     0
Move Silently         3                     5
Open Lock             7                    28
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     2
Search                5                    25
Spot                  3                    23
Swim                  4                     8
Tumble                7                    15
Use Magic Device      2                    22

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting


Level 2 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 3 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow


Level 4 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)


Level 5 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 6 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 7 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+3)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 9 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 10 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 11 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 13 (Barbarian)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+6)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 15 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+6)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+5)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 17 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion


Level 18 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 19 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+3)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Opportunist
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack I
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack II
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack III
Enhancement: Orcish Power Rage I
Enhancement: Orcish Strength I
Enhancement: Orcish Strength II
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude I
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude II
Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II
Enhancement: Improved Balance I
Enhancement: Improved Balance II
Enhancement: Improved Tumble I
Enhancement: Improved Tumble II
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
    Here"s the projected Stat Spread

    Str 18 (+2 Enh +5 levels +6 item +2 tome +3 exc +6 Barb Rage +2 Frenzy +2 Madstone +2 Rage spell = 48)
    Dex 14 (+3 enh +6 item +2 tome +3 exc +4 showtime = 32)
    Con 16 (+2 enh +6 item +2 tome +4 Barb Rage +4 Madstone +2 Rage spell = 36)
    Int 12 (+2 Tome = 14)
    Wis 8 (+2 tome +6 item = 16)
    Cha 6
    Last edited by Failedlegend; 12-15-2010 at 02:42 PM.
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  2. 12-15-2010, 12:46 PM #2
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    I would think TWF would work better for the sneak attack dmg. (and with so many points spent on dex)

    Also, you could have a hard time being raged as much as you might want to if you dont know the quests well. You cant search while raged, so if you are 'the trap guy' for a quest, you just wanna be careful managing your rages.
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  3. 12-15-2010, 02:09 PM #3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cam_Neely View Post
    I would think TWF would work better for the sneak attack dmg. (and with so many points spent on dex)

    Also, you could have a hard time being raged as much as you might want to if you don't know the quests well. You cant search while raged, so if you are 'the trap guy' for a quest, you just wanna be careful managing your rages.
    Actually I'm considering swapping Con and Dex (so it would be 16 con and 14 dex) as far as TWF that's nice and probably true but regardless of other changes it ll must focus on one thing and that's using a q-staff (aka Stick) which sadly is 2-Handed only besides TWF defeats the purpose of going half-orc as well. The points in dex btw are due to Acrobats ability to add SA using Dex.

    Oh but thanks for the note about searching I didn't know that..but I can dismiss rage at any time right?

    As far as the not knowing the quest part...that's true for any class and their abilities whether it be through mana or limited uses.
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  4. 12-15-2010, 02:15 PM #4
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    best stick build out there currently is the below:

    http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=158960
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  5. 12-15-2010, 02:16 PM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failedlegend View Post
    Oh but thanks for the note about searching I didn't know that..but I can dismiss rage at any time right?

    As far as the not knowing the quest part...that's true for any class and their abilities whether it be through mana or limited uses.
    Correct, it can be dismissed any time, and then search.
    Very true, knowing the quest helps any build, but I was just pointing to the fact that you will have few, shortish rages. If you pop one, then spot a trap, it is a bit of a hit (ie the 4th quest in Delera buff up, rage, stop! Trap! )

    You cant dismiss the Frenzy, but if I remember correctly, Frenzy does not have any effect on Search.

    Quote Originally Posted by Failedlegend View Post

    A) Can you use both rage and frenzy simultaneously?

    B) What's the formula for Rage length I think it has something to do with your Con Mod, Barb lvl and enhancements but I'm not sure.
    a.) Yep!
    b)Rage duration = (3 + total, modified CON score modifier) * 6 seconds. I think
    There are enhancements, and you can get extend rageII for 3 total AP, which will increase your length by 50% (need lv 5 barb)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cam_Neely View Post
    a.) Yep!
    b)Rage duration = (3 + total, modified CON score modifier) * 6 seconds. I think
    There are enhancements, and you can get extend rageII for 3 total AP, which will increase your length by 50% (need lv 5 barb)
    So hmmm at lvl 2 (1rogue/1babr) I'd have this (5+3)*6 = 48 Seconds than at 20 it would be (13+3)*6 = 96 Seconds (1minute 36 Seconds) + 50% = 144 Seconds (2 Minutes 24 Seconds) that's not bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Failedlegend View Post
    So hmmm at lvl 2 (1rogue/1babr) I'd have this (5+3)*6 = 48 Seconds than at 20 it would be (13+3)*6 = 96 Seconds (1minute 36 Seconds) + 50% = 144 Seconds (2 Minutes 24 Seconds) that's not bad.
    Where do you get the 13 from? That would be a 36 Con, but from what Im guessing you will have 18 base +6 item for a 7 ((24-10)/2)mod

    ((7+3)*6)*1.5) for 90 seconds?

    *EDIT* never mind, i see now.

    Con 16 (+2 enh +6 item +2 tome +4 Barb Rage +4 Madstone +2 Rage spell = 36)

    All looks good, except the +4 from the rage, it counts your Con when you hit the rage, so it would be 32 for your rage length

    ((11+3)*6)*1.5 for 126 seconds or 2 min and 6 seconds once per rest (clickie from Madstone)
    ((9+3)*6)*1.5 for 108 seconds or 1 min 48 seconds

    You also only get 2 rages, but have the ability to spend 3 total points to get Extra Rage II for 4 total rages on a lv 6 barb
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cam_Neely View Post
    All looks good, except the +4 from the rage, it counts your Con when you hit the rage, so it would be 32 for your rage length
    IIRC it actually counts your raged con for the timer.
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