feeling squishy

[neclon]

The shroud is making my fighter (lvl 17 halfling fighter - 16 base con) feel squishier than my lvl 20 rogue (14 base con elf).

So tried shroud 3 times today. I was the low-man on the hp spikes every time. Granted I have not put much effort into hp gear (until today) but I always assumed I wouldn't have to worry about being squishy on a fighter.

I ran with 396 hp today(this is with minos, greater false life, and +6 con item) and in part 4 my hp was dropping way faster than anyone elses. I bottomed out and came back with a heal fairly quick but died to the spikes eventually.

I know I have another 40 or so hps comin from level ups, but this is a lvl 16 raid, shouldnt a 17 fighter be sufficient? I admit I wasn't trying too hard to stay behind harry, but that , but what's really kiling me is taking 250+ dmg from delayed blast fireball. I guess my reflex save is the problem more than my hps, but I have +5 resistance boots on.

Am I missing something?

I know some obvious improvements would be +2 tome, madstone, blah blah blah. People post that like you can just go to a vendor and buy a set of madstone boots. I know someone who ran 40 times to get a pair so that's not a very reasonable solution at this point.

[callforkills]

I think you forgot fire resistance then.

Rogue can evade many of arraetrikos' attacks, but a non'evasive char
will drop down way faster, especially without fire res.
400 hp is fine at level 17

[wax_on_wax_off]

Do you have enough UMD to scroll a fireshield scroll? That would solve all your problems ...
Though to be fair, my ranger runs with slightly more HP and does just fine in marilith chain (no evasion) and is usually pulling aggro but i just keep whacking away.

Perhaps someone forgot to fire resist you? I guess always make sure that fire resist is on before you get in there.

Firestorm Greaves are another option, I've tried to get these but have never turned up for me.

[neclon]

I think you forgot fire resistance then.

No. Ran 3 times, 2 were fails on part 4 but I was the first to die both of those times. 3rd run was successful but i was the only one to die pt 4. All 3 times I definitely had resists

Do you have enough UMD to scroll a fireshield scroll?

You know this is the fighter forum right? =P I don't have enough int to pass 3rd grade math, let alone put skill points into umd.



maybe its post-U8 that it's a little rougher. My rogue has 360s hp and I never even bothered trying to stay behind harry cuz his aggro is so sporatic before but I'm wondering now.

[jillie]

You could try armor with hammerblock, to give you some DR against the bludgeoning part of the meteor storms. If you can manage a stoneskin clicky, that would give you some more DR (once you have some ings saved up, doing a two tier minII greensteel weapon will give you 2 clickies/day, and there's a DT sovereign rune that procs stoneskin when you're hit.).

[taurean430]

Did you take toughness as a feat out of curiosity? 396 sounds low with GFL and a 16 con on a fighter.

[stoolcannon]

The shroud is making my fighter (lvl 17 halfling fighter - 16 base con) feel squishier than my lvl 20 rogue (14 base con elf).

So tried shroud 3 times today. I was the low-man on the hp spikes every time. Granted I have not put much effort into hp gear (until today) but I always assumed I wouldn't have to worry about being squishy on a fighter.

I ran with 396 hp today(this is with minos, greater false life, and +6 con item) and in part 4 my hp was dropping way faster than anyone elses. I bottomed out and came back with a heal fairly quick but died to the spikes eventually.

I know I have another 40 or so hps comin from level ups, but this is a lvl 16 raid, shouldnt a 17 fighter be sufficient? I admit I wasn't trying too hard to stay behind harry, but that , but what's really kiling me is taking 250+ dmg from delayed blast fireball. I guess my reflex save is the problem more than my hps, but I have +5 resistance boots on.

Am I missing something?

I know some obvious improvements would be +2 tome, madstone, blah blah blah. People post that like you can just go to a vendor and buy a set of madstone boots. I know someone who ran 40 times to get a pair so that's not a very reasonable solution at this point.

A +2 tome should be relatively easy to obtain by that level I'd think. I know I had several of various stats and many folks will trade for them.

Also make sure you've got at least 1 toughness feat and some enhancements into toughness.

[fuzzy1guy]

Your HP is on the low end of acceptable for a fighter of your level. You should be nearing 500 or better at this point. Not 400.

Idk what you missed. but you're missing something. Or several somethings.

[phalaeo]

Your HP is on the low end of acceptable for a fighter of your level. You should be nearing 500 or better at this point. Not 400.

Idk what you missed. but you're missing something. Or several somethings.

Yup.

My Level 17 BARD has the same HP with base 16 Con.
Can you list what feats/enhancements/items you have? Something seems off and I'd like to help, but would need to know what you've got going for you.

As far as the reflex save vs. HP issue- yes, good reflex saves and/or Evasion will help in there, but it's not necessary. We ran an All-Cleric Shroud and Clerics have notoriously poor reflex saves. The generally accepted parameters are don't go in to melee unless you have 400HP on an evasion toon and 450HP on non-evasion.

[Rasczak]

Hmmm...lvl 17 midget fighter will have;
170 (Base) +20 (Heroic) +20 (Minos) +30 (GFL) +51 (Con) +51 (Con Item)= 342

+10 (Agent Favour) +19 (Toughness) +17 (Rage) = 388

+30 (Fighter Toughness Enh) +20 (Racial Toughness) +17 (+2 Con Tome) = 455


At level 20 you can expect (Adding last 3 level)

435 + 30 (Fighter HP) +3(Toughness) +3 (Con item) +3 (Con) +3 (Rage) = 497

+20 (+2 Excep Con item) +45 (Greensteel HP Item) = 562

+20 (+2 Con Ship Buff) +20 (+4 Tome) = 602

+20 (Madstone) +10 (Superior False Life Item) +20 (Madstone clickie) = 652

If you're uber and like being slotted often add +80 (Max scourge choker buff) = 732
Scourge though means you have to keep being hit....

What have I missed?


PS: I hate midgets xP


OP: Your fighter has no evasion, spells hurt your fighter more than your rogue. Harry isn't just tossing out a beating, he comes equipped with fire and brimstone. It's to be expected that if you don't have aggro, your fighter will die quicker than your rogue (who should have imp evasion)

[neclon]

I have 170 base + 20 heroic + 20 minos + 30 GFL + 51 con + 34 con item = 325
(my GFL is on belt slot which is the cheapest spot to put a +6 con item... so I'm stuck with +5 con ring til I pull or find better). Don't have +10 argent favor yet

325: +19 toughness +20 racial toughness, +30 fighter toughness = 394 (411 with rage). I think my reflex is only like 17 with +5 boots, though. He started with 10 dex and has +5 from spectral gloves.

I guess I'll aim for 450. I migh thave to level up some unless I get lucky and pull a couple of +2 tomes of con (because the first one goes to the rogue =P). Maybe I should have put a couple levels into barb on this guy... mixed enhancements could boost my hp up a bit.

[Astraghal]

It's not you it's the whole group.

Spells that help with harry fight are resist fire, greater heroism, neutralise poison, freedom of movement, mass protection elements, prayer, aid, recitation.

A disease immunity item will prevent devil chills.

If everyone is properly buffed, using DR breakers and getting properly healed no group should have any issues.

Do you have heavy fortification?