Drow PM/Cleric build

**The_Metal_Monster** · 12-13-2010, 07:51 PM

Im very new to building and with this build im trying to make a fun to play character that is somewhat powerful compared to this sorc i normally group with.

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Drow Necromancer
Level 20 Chaotic Neutral Drow Male
(8 Cleric \ 12 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 182
Spell Points: 1263 
BAB: 12\12\17\22
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 9
Will: 18

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength              8                     8
Dexterity            14                    16
Constitution         13                    14
Intelligence         16                    20
Wisdom               16                    18
Charisma             10                    10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               4                    14
Bluff                 0                     0
Concentration         5                    25
Diplomacy             0                     0
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                2                    11.5
Heal                  3                     8
Hide                  2                     3
Intimidate            0                     0
Jump                 -1                     7
Listen                3                     6
Move Silently         2                     3
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                3                     6
Search                5                    14
Spot                  3                    11
Swim                 -1                     0
Tumble                4                     7
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I


Level 2 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Necromancy
Enhancement: Improved Spell Resistance I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Fluidity I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Force Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Augment Summoning
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I


Level 4 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance I
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence I
Enhancement: Wizard Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 5 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I


Level 6 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Enhancement: Improved Spell Resistance II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Fluidity II


Level 7 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Empowering I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Energy I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Elements I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Force I


Level 8 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Wizard Subtle Spellcasting I


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing I


Level 10 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Improved Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Improved Spell Resistance III


Level 11 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II
Enhancement: Wizard Wand and Scroll Mastery II


Level 12 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Eschew Materials
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence II
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master I


Level 13 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Fluidity III


Level 14 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III


Level 15 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Wizard Subtle Spellcasting II


Level 16 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Wand and Scroll Mastery III
Enhancement: Summon Skeleton Archer
Enhancement: Summon Skeletal Knight


Level 17 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar III
Enhancement: Summon Skeletal Mage


Level 18 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Enlarge Spell
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 19 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Maximizing I
Enhancement: Wizard Wand and Scroll Mastery IV


Level 20 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master II
Enhancement: Summon Blackbone Archer
Enhancement: Summon Blackbone Knight
Enhancement: Shroud of the Wraith

So, if anyone wants to help me fine tune/completely revamp this build please post any critiques or advice

**r3dl4nce** · 12-13-2010, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by The_Metal_Monster

So, if anyone wants to help me fine tune/completely revamp

20 wizard or 20 cleric

**biggin** · 12-13-2010, 08:05 PM

Looks like a winner. Personally I would drop one level of cleric and pick up one level of rogue so all your spells get backstab damage, but that's just me.

Yep, backstabbing firewalls/spawn screen for the win. I dare someone to prove me wrong.

(yells a little bit louder) I dare someone to prove me wrong!

**The_Metal_Monster** · 12-13-2010, 08:22 PM

OH WOW! i didnt know spells got backstab damage. Thank you very much Biggin.

**The_Metal_Monster** · 12-13-2010, 08:27 PM

Alright, so here is a revised version. Better, worse, same?

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Drow Rouge Necromancer
Level 20 Chaotic Neutral Drow Male
(1 Rogue \ 7 Cleric \ 12 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 180
Spell Points: 1219 
BAB: 11\11\16\21
Fortitude: 11
Reflex: 11
Will: 17

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength              8                     8
Dexterity            14                    16
Constitution         13                    14
Intelligence         16                    20
Wisdom               16                    18
Charisma             10                    10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               4                    14
Bluff                 0                     0
Concentration         5                    24.5
Diplomacy             0                     0
Disable Device        n/a                   8
Haggle                2                    11
Heal                  3                     7.5
Hide                  2                     3
Intimidate            0                     0
Jump                 -1                     8
Listen                3                     6
Move Silently         2                     3
Open Lock             n/a                   7
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                3                     6
Search                5                    14
Spot                  3                    11
Swim                 -1                     0.5
Tumble                4                     7
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic I


Level 2 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Necromancy
Enhancement: Improved Spell Resistance I
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Fluidity I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Force Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I
Enhancement: Cleric Divine Vitality I


Level 3 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Augment Summoning
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Cleric Wisdom I


Level 4 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance I
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence I
Enhancement: Wizard Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 5 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance II
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life I


Level 6 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Enhancement: Improved Spell Resistance II
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Fluidity II


Level 7 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Empowering I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Energy I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Elements I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Force I


Level 8 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic II
Enhancement: Wizard Subtle Spellcasting I


Level 9 (Cleric)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Enhancement: Cleric Improved Empower Healing I


Level 10 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Improved Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Improved Spell Resistance III


Level 11 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II
Enhancement: Wizard Wand and Scroll Mastery II


Level 12 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Eschew Materials
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence II
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master I


Level 13 (Cleric)
Enhancement: Elven Arcane Fluidity III


Level 14 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Cleric Life Magic III


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy
Enhancement: Cleric Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Wizard Subtle Spellcasting II


Level 16 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Wand and Scroll Mastery III
Enhancement: Summon Skeleton Archer
Enhancement: Summon Skeletal Knight


Level 17 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar III
Enhancement: Summon Skeletal Mage


Level 18 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Enlarge Spell
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 19 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Maximizing I
Enhancement: Wizard Wand and Scroll Mastery IV


Level 20 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master II
Enhancement: Summon Blackbone Archer
Enhancement: Summon Blackbone Knight
Enhancement: Shroud of the Wraith

How is it?

**biggin** · 12-13-2010, 08:28 PM

...sigh, now I feel bad......

Honestly, I was just too lazy to spell it out when I replied and threw out some horrible advice in the hopes someone who wasn't so lazy would answer. I was wrong, so I will correct my mistake....

For all intents and purposes, you never want to multiclass a SP user with another one. These builds are ususally only done by two types of people

nes who can solo everything in the game so it doesn't really matter what they build, and everyone else. I have a feeling (and it's a very good feeling) you may be everyone else.

Can I ask what you are trying to accomplish with the build? Seriously this time since there is a dialogue going.

**silvertrit** · 12-13-2010, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by biggin

Looks like a winner. Personally I would drop one level of cleric and pick up one level of rogue so all your spells get backstab damage, but that's just me.

Yep, backstabbing firewalls/spawn screen for the win. I dare someone to prove me wrong.

(yells a little bit louder) I dare someone to prove me wrong!

\

He is being an ******* dont believe him. I know you may be new to this so listen carefully. Being a cleric or a wizard is because your expected to be good at the end of both high level spells.

Splitting yourself up, you hurt your chances with leveling and grouping having no real good high level spells near the end as your floundering about with same SP pools wasting time.

Spells dont back stab and seriously he did you a great disservice even posting such if he was joking.

**lazyninja81** · 12-13-2010, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by The_Metal_Monster

OH WOW! i didnt know spells got backstab damage. Thank you very much Biggin.

As far as I know this is incorrect. Spells do not get sneak attack dmg.

Also, I would not recommend this build. You'll be a weak wizard and weak cleric at higher levels. Too few cleric levels to heal well and too few wizard levels to land any CC/insta death spells.

Don't mix arcane and divine caster classes. In fact, mixing any caster classes usually costs more than it gains for a build.

**lazyninja81** · 12-13-2010, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by biggin

...sigh, now I feel bad......

Honestly, I was just too lazy to spell it out when I replied and threw out some horrible advice in the hopes someone who wasn't so lazy would answer. I was wrong, so I will correct my mistake....

For all intents and purposes, you never want to multiclass a SP user with another one. These builds are ususally only done by two types of people

nes who can solo everything in the game so it doesn't really matter what they build, and everyone else. I have a feeling (and it's a very good feeling) you may be everyone else.

Can I ask what you are trying to accomplish with the build? Seriously this time since there is a dialogue going.

Haha, +1 for owning up to it and offering advice.

**The_Metal_Monster** · 12-13-2010, 08:40 PM

oh, ok thanks silvertrit and lazyninja81
I was reading earlier (dont remember where) powerful necros are cleric and pm and yesterday i saw this other build and someone commented it would work better 8/12 but now i see this isnt true so which would be better cleric necro or wiz necro? (please no jokes this time

ty)

**ormsbygore** · 12-13-2010, 08:52 PM

As far as late game is concerned you're DC's won't be that great.

I have planned a 18 Wizard/2 Cleric, more for the ability to use Inflct Spell/Wands/Scrolls on myself and pets It's also very funny to see sombodies reaction to a Wizard handing out DV's. The main focus of the build is soloing. If you through some UMD into a pure Drow Wizard though you could probably achieve a level useable for Inflict Wands/Scrolls.

Then again, they have added a collectables collecter in House J. If you talk to the Vampire at the back of the "House J House" near Delera's Graveyard, while in undead form, you can get him to summon this special vendor. You can trade him 3 Funery Tokens for 3 Inflict Serious Potions, there are a few other collectables that he will accept for random Inflict Wands/Scrolls but those aren't as crutial.

**biggin** · 12-13-2010, 08:54 PM

wiz necro

I don't know of any necro specced clerics. Not saying they aren't out there, but with all the extra feats you get with a wiz, if you want to spec necro, wiz would be the way to go.

And good job with taking a joke with a grain of salt. You just might make it around here....

**silvertrit** · 12-13-2010, 09:00 PM

Yes, something i would love is domain spells.

**The_Metal_Monster** · 12-13-2010, 09:30 PM

Alright, thanks for all of the advice and with it I'll revise my build and hopefully come up with something good.

**r3dl4nce** · 12-14-2010, 03:29 AM

Originally Posted by The_Metal_Monster

Alright, thanks for all of the advice and with it I'll revise my build and hopefully come up with something good.

I repeat myself, if you want something good, go 20 wizard OR 20 cleric. Don't mix casting classes

**Kriogen** · 12-14-2010, 04:35 AM

Arcane class that also has divine spells is a Bard.

**sigtrent** · 12-14-2010, 02:56 PM

Its not a good build, and that is because it sacrifices a lot to accomplish only a little.

The only reason to go cleric+pale master is to crank up your negative energy spells for self healing or necro attack casting. The problem is you have to give up huge benefits to do it.

Pale master requires necro and greater necro focus, these raise your DC values on spells like finger of death or wail of the banshee, spells you don't get at level 12. That means about the only person getting those save penalties is you when you try to heal yourself wtih the cleric spells which allow saving throws for half damage... saves you don't want to make. So the +2 is good there, but its washed out because the cleric is pumping up your will saves by +2 and that extra wisdom is taking it higher. Even if you did go wiz 13 for the touch of death, your terrible spell penetration roll would make it worthless at end game (which is when you sould get access to it)

So you are getting an edge on necro casting damage, but at pale master 2 the best you have are 3 effects, a necrotic ray spell, a necrotic bolt spell, and a necrotic burst spell. Sadly they all also base damage on caster level so whatever you gain via cleric enhancement, you loose from missing caster levels. Meanwhile all your other damage spells are below par as well.

Your skelleton summons, by the time you get them, are far more fun than powerful and you will never get the decent summons that are high level spells. (not great mind you but decent)

Top that all off with the fact that it takes you a while to get the abilities you have coming and so they are weaker by the time you get them. You are getting level 12 character powers at level 20 and not really getting much along the way to show for it.

Your healing ability is going to be ok for healing yourself, but kind of worthless for helping anyone else and if you try, your mana will be empty in no time.

And to top it all off you have pretty much no fighting ability due to that low strength and few good weapon choices.

It might be kind of a fun build up till level 10 or so, especially if you changed a few things, but it would soon become near useless in most quests aside from your ability to loot chests after your team mates did the heavy lifting. I'd love it if the combo worked... but sadly it doesn't and there are just better ways to do the same thing.

A Half-Elf Pale Master, possibly with a splash class would be far more effective in nearly every respect. Bottom line is I would only make this character if it was for role playing purposes or to challenge yourself to make a very weak build viable.

**The_Metal_Monster** · 12-14-2010, 04:03 PM

Thank you for the advice everyone, here is a 20 wiz version I think would be better. What do you think?

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Drow Necromancer(Updated)
Level 20 Chaotic Neutral Drow Male
(20 Wizard) 
Hit Points: 160
Spell Points: 1699 
BAB: 10\10\15\20
Fortitude: 8
Reflex: 8
Will: 16

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength              8                     8
Dexterity            14                    15
Constitution         13                    14
Intelligence         16                    23
Wisdom               16                    18
Charisma             10                    10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               4                    11
Bluff                 0                     0
Concentration         5                    21
Diplomacy             0                     0
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                2                    10
Heal                  3                     6.5
Hide                  2                     2
Intimidate            0                     0
Jump                 -1                     5.5
Listen                3                     6
Move Silently         2                     2
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                3                     7
Search                5                    15
Spot                  3                    10
Swim                 -1                     0
Tumble                4                     5.5
Use Magic Device      n/a                   8.5

Level 1 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Necromancy
Enhancement: Wizard Energy Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I


Level 2 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Improved Spell Resistance I
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation I

Level 3 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Augment Summoning


Level 4 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence I
Enhancement: Wizard Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 5 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Empower Spell
Enhancement: Wizard Subtle Spellcasting I


Level 6 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master I


Level 7 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Improved Empowering I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Energy I
Enhancement: Wizard Lineage of Elements I


Level 8 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Summon Skeletal Knight


Level 9 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy


Level 10 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Eschew Materials
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II
Enhancement: Summon Skeleton Archer


Level 11 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Improved Spell Resistance II
Enhancement: Wizard Wand and Scroll Mastery II


Level 12 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Enlarge Spell
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence II


Level 13 (Wizard)


Level 14 (Wizard)


Level 15 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master II
Enhancement: Summon Blackbone Knight


Level 16 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Wand and Scroll Mastery III
Enhancement: Summon Skeletal Mage


Level 17 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar III


Level 18 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence III
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master III
Enhancement: Summon Blackbone Archer


Level 19 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Wizard Wand and Scroll Mastery IV


Level 20 (Wizard)
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Heighten Spell
Enhancement: Wizard Master of Magic
Enhancement: Wizard Energy Manipulation II
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation II
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar IV
Enhancement: Summon Frostmarrow Knight
Enhancement: Shroud of the Wraith

(PS- its missing a couple enhacement points)

**kartos** · 12-15-2010, 06:18 AM

as a wizard you need max int a lot of con your free to do whatever you wnat with the rest of the point so I suggest you take point off dex and wis and put them into int and con first get your int to 20 and the rest to con

**Schwarzie** · 12-15-2010, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by The_Metal_Monster

Thank you for the advice everyone, here is a 20 wiz version I think would be better. What do you think?

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Drow Necromancer(Updated)
Level 20 Chaotic Neutral Drow Male

Do you maybe have access to the Warforged? It would be a more powerful choice due to the excellent selfhealing capacity.

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                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(28 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength              8                     8
Dexterity            14                    15
Constitution         13                    14
Intelligence         16                    23
Wisdom               16                    18
Charisma             10                    10

If you want to play a Necromancer you need your Int as high as possible. Besides Intelligence a Wizard just needs Con, every other stat is next to irrelevant. As a Drow you also need Charisma to get your UMD high enough for selfhealing.

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Tumble                4                     5.5
Use Magic Device      n/a                   8.5

One Rank in Tumble is enough. And UMD needs to be maxed out at 11.

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Level 1 (Wizard)

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Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Necromancy
Enhancement: Wizard Energy Manipulation I
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar I

Mental Thoughness is not a good feat. If it is needed for the Palemaster, maybe you should think about a Necro specced Archmage...

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Level 2 (Wizard)
Enhancement: Improved Spell Resistance I
Enhancement: Wizard Elemental Manipulation I

Drow Spellresistance isnt worth the Enhancementpoints. You will never reach meaningful numbers.

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Level 6 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Mental Toughness
Enhancement: Wizard Pale Master I

Mental Thoughness is not a good Feat. Improved Mental Thoughness is a bad feat...

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Level 10 (Wizard)

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Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Eschew Materials
Enhancement: Wizard Energy of the Scholar II
Enhancement: Summon Skeleton Archer

Never ever take Eschew Materials. Its a garbade Feat!

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Level 12 (Wizard)
Feat: (Selected) Enlarge Spell
Enhancement: Wizard Intelligence II

Enlarge spell is not a very good feat either. Just take more Spellfoki after you covered the basics Empower/Maximise/Quicken/Extend/Heighten/Thoughness. Spell Penetration I and II are important for your build also.

And even if you move on the Instadeath Line, dont forget to take all the fire/Ice Enhancements for Firewall.
and prepare to get frustrated. Late in the Game most Mobs have excellent Fortsaves. Enchantmentspells work better since those High fort Mobs have a weak will.

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