"Waves" goodbye to ToD

[xxHazexx]

My question is why do these spells exist now? being they serve no actual purpose "now", when else are they used in "non-raiding" situations? rhetorical. Lets be honest raid bosses was about the only thing these spells *were good foR!

[shagath]

Maybee they should just nerf casters all the way down to ranged nukers and give them 3 spells that scale in damage with each level. That should simplify it enough for the WoW generation.

Even that would be a better system than current for nukers. They get to buff party and do mass holds & dances. No imagination there either. Some are healers for robots.

[grodon9999]

What? Grodon, you can heal yourself while tanking Suulo. Or the bard can heal you, if you don't want to heal yourself. Have someone else who can UMD heal scrolls backup the main healer on Horoth, and you should be fine for a single-healer Suulo kill.

Oh we absolutely could do it if we planned the group in advance. This was the third run of the night and we we out of real tanks.

[grodon9999]

Come to think of it, thats a good point. Before the waves thing was in common use, we were doing nightly hard runs with Ransacked (I think we thought sulu dropped +4 tomes at the time). I remember those runs being fairly challenging on a healer and we had two healers on the main tank. There weren't many runs where I had to use pots though.

Probably be easier on normal I guess?

I swear the loot on normal is better than hard.

[transtemporal]

I swear the loot on normal is better than hard.

Ha! It certainly seems that way sometimes.

[PopeJual]

When was the last time Barbarians were nerfed?

When the number of off-hand attacks for Two Weapon Fighting were reduced and when the Glancing Blows were removed from combat while moving. My Barbarian might as well not take any of the THF feats at all now.

[sweez]

my main beef is not how "hard" raids will be, because they wont be that much more difficult, and still, as people said, completely doable.

what my problem with this is what it is doing to caster usefulness in general. before when you got to the raid boss you could at least claim you were "essential" or "important" because everyone wants a caster to pop waves, now you are just that semi-piker who nukes horoth for like 1/40th then runs out of sp.

Cloudkill?

[salmag]

Well, that frees up a spell slot. No reason to carry waves anymore.

I guess this sums it up.

ANOTHER group of spells that stay in the spellbook and will never get used. I thought they were going to make more spells viable?

[Eladiun]

my main beef is not how "hard" raids will be, because they wont be that much more difficult, and still, as people said, completely doable.

what my problem with this is what it is doing to caster usefulness in general. before when you got to the raid boss you could at least claim you were "essential" or "important" because everyone wants a caster to pop waves, now you are just that semi-piker who nukes horoth for like 1/40th then runs out of sp.

I feel pretty essential in Part 1, Reconning a WF on the Jailer.

I feel really essential in Part 2, kiting shadows.

I feel pretty essential in Part 3, Reconning a WF tank and handling trash.

Usefulness is what you make it. Do I sometimes miss being the king off big boom boom I was in GH? Yes but I adapt and use my tools to benefit the party in a lot of different ways in high end raids and epics.