Petition to keep the bonus from manual with true reincarnation

[biggin]

What is there to debate?

Your proposed solution doesn't do anything to solve the problem. It's good for some players, but anyone who has two or more important stats or is playing a class and isn't maxing the "main" stat for that class gets screwed in your system.

They don't get screwed. They get to keep up to a +4 tome on the classes main stat. You wouldn't consider this an improvement over the current system? Or is it an all or nothing deal?

If you TR'd your STR based FVS, but got to keep a +4 tome for CHA you would still be ****ed? I guess to each their own.

And yes, it is good for some players. In keeping with the theme of TR's, since clerics remember cleric stuff, sorcs remember sorc stuff, that you could "remember" up to a +4 to your classes main stat seems like a decent middle ground.

[Tobril]

They don't get screwed. They get to keep up to a +4 tome on the classes main stat. You wouldn't consider this an improvement over the current system? Or is it an all or nothing deal?

If you TR'd your STR based FVS, but got to keep a +4 tome for CHA you would still be ****ed? I guess to each their own.

And yes, it is good for some players. In keeping with the theme of TR's, since clerics remember cleric stuff, sorcs remember sorc stuff, that you could "remember" up to a +4 to your classes main stat seems like a decent middle ground.

Get a bank of +4 tomes and then let us know how you feel. It may change your perspective a bit.

[DrNuegebauer]

I would agree with keeping +3 or higher tomes.

+1/+2 tomes are easily available - they should go. But the +3/4 tomes are precious!

Allow those to be kept!

[AylinIsAwesome]

They don't get screwed. They get to keep up to a +4 tome on the classes main stat. You wouldn't consider this an improvement over the current system? Or is it an all or nothing deal?

If you TR'd your STR based FVS, but got to keep a +4 tome for CHA you would still be ****ed? I guess to each their own.

And yes, it is good for some players. In keeping with the theme of TR's, since clerics remember cleric stuff, sorcs remember sorc stuff, that you could "remember" up to a +4 to your classes main stat seems like a decent middle ground.

No, it's not a decent middle ground.

Why would I even go after a +4 CHA tome on a FvS? 19 is all you ever need, and both of mine already have over 22 without a tome higher than 2.


Your "solution" gets both of them nothing. Despite the fact that Fighters are getting their +4 STR tomes now, pretty much everyone else is just as screwed as they are right now.

[badbob117]

This is why i will never tr my main toon. I do not care what anyone says. getting a +4 str and con tome is not a easy feat. took me over a year. hell +3 tomes are hard enough to come by. If they actually increased drop rates of +3 and 4 tomes then maybe more players would actually buy tr hearts. It would be a win/win situation for Turbine and the players. players would loot the occasional tome and Turbine would get more money from hearts sold.

just my 2 cents. To much grinding lately in this game. something has to give....

[eonfreon]

They don't get screwed. They get to keep up to a +4 tome on the classes main stat. You wouldn't consider this an improvement over the current system? Or is it an all or nothing deal?

If you TR'd your STR based FVS, but got to keep a +4 tome for CHA you would still be ****ed? I guess to each their own.

And yes, it is good for some players. In keeping with the theme of TR's, since clerics remember cleric stuff, sorcs remember sorc stuff, that you could "remember" up to a +4 to your classes main stat seems like a decent middle ground.

It certainly is better then nothing. For some it would be great for others it wouldn't have any bearings on their choice to TR.

I guess the only real objection I would have is that it just confuses the issue.

In my case I have a Paladin who's used several +2 Tomes. The +3 Tomes I've found and used are to Con and Wis.
A Paladin's main stat is Cha right?
So under your system would I lose my Wis and Con Tomes and gain a Cha Tome? Or since I never used a +3 Cha Tome, will I simply be in the same boat as now and not be given any Tomes?

See, it would be a lot easier to just let us decide which Tome to carry over, or just let us keep them all.

Or of course it could just stay the same. But I rather they change it.

[Robi3.0]

It is the way it is I have TRed a toon that has used the only +3 tome I have ever had. I have no regrets. If you want to eat your tomes as soon as you get them and keep them forever then don't TR. It is a simple choice.

/not signed

[Tobril]

This is why i will never tr my main toon. I do not care what anyone says. getting a +4 str and con tome is not a easy feat. took me over a year. hell +3 tomes are hard enough to come by. If they actually increased drop rates of +3 and 4 tomes then maybe more players would actually buy tr hearts. It would be a win/win situation for Turbine and the players. players would loot the occasional tome and Turbine would get more money from hearts sold.

just my 2 cents. To much grinding lately in this game. something has to give....

One more person who would buy a more expensive TR in order to keep tomes.

Turbine keeps making money, and people with the intense desire to painfully re-grind tomes can put their balls back in the blender to do so.

[Khanyth]

Get a bank of +4 tomes and then let us know how you feel. It may change your perspective a bit.

No, I don't have a set of +4 tomes.

It still doesn't change my perspective.

Again.... cost/benefit analysis to making an important decision.

[Gunga]

I would agree with keeping +3 or higher tomes.

+1/+2 tomes are easily available - they should go. But the +3/4 tomes are precious!

Allow those to be kept!

But then you're only adjusting the ****** policy to work for the vets.

It'd be like chucking another tax on the middle class and letting the rich guys slide.

I'm going for all or nothing on this one.

[Tobril]

It is the way it is I have TRed a toon that has used the only +3 tome I have ever had. I have no regrets. If you want to eat your tomes as soon as you get them and keep them forever then don't TR. It is a simple choice.

/not signed

This is like saying that people should be hit by a car if they try to cross a street because you are opposed to adding crosswalks.

[stoolcannon]

To TR or Not to TR
A Play By Stoolcannon

OP walks boldly into the room and steps up onto a large platform looking out upon the crowd as if ready to make a proclamation

Op: I'd like to keep my tomes when I TR.

Boos and hisses from the crowd. Lettuce, tomato, cabbages and most of all, broccoli are thrown at OP. Blindly missing the fact that the suggestion would benefit them in the future, they angrily shout at OP.

Bitter Veteran: Sorry, I didn't get to keep mine so I'm going to say no because since I got screwed you should get screwed too

Other bitter veteran: Yeah mate! If somfin's gonna suck fa me den it's dam sure gonna suck for awl o' dem too. Equal suck for awl so I say so I do.

Flabbergasted, OP ducks behind a podium under a hail of broccoli and ham

Op:....

From the edge of the crowd, a bearded old man looks on with amusement clear upon his features

Karl Marx: Things are going according to plan. Muaaahahahahahahaha

[eonfreon]

No, I don't have a set of +4 tomes.

It still doesn't change my perspective.

Again.... cost/benefit analysis to making an important decision.

Once again, I used my +3 Tomes from my 20th Raid completions before there was a TR option even rumored.

There was no cost/benefit analysis. There was no decision. Would it have made any sense to bank a BTC Tome when the TR option didn't exist?
Why would I keep it in the bank and not use it?

[Gunga]

To TR or Not to TR
A Play By Stoolcannon


Karl Marx: Things are going according to plan. Muaaahahahahahahaha

I want my money back.

[stoolcannon]

I want my money back.

I'm sorry but your money disappeared when you elected to TR. These things happen!

[AylinIsAwesome]

To TR or Not to TR
A Play By Stoolcannon

OP walks boldly into the room and steps up onto a large platform looking out upon the crowd as if ready to make a proclamation

Op: I'd like to keep my tomes when I TR.

Boos and hisses from the crowd. Lettuce, tomato, cabbages and most of all, broccoli are thrown at OP. Blindly missing the fact that the suggestion would benefit them in the future, they angrily shout at OP.

Bitter Veteran: Sorry, I didn't get to keep mine so I'm going to say no because since I got screwed you should get screwed too

Other bitter veteran: Yeah mate! If somfin's gonna suck fa me den it's dam sure gonna suck for awl o' dem too. Equal suck for awl so I say so I do.

Flabbergasted, OP ducks behind a podium under a hail of broccoli and ham

Op:....

From the edge of the crowd, a bearded old man looks on with amusement clear upon his features

Karl Marx: Things are going according to plan. Muaaahahahahahahaha

While I agree with your stance on this topic, continuing to call the current situation "communism" is ludicrous and detracts focus from the current issue: TRing and keeping your tomes.

[Tholar]

It should be common sense, since bigger profits for Turbine and happier players is a win-win for everyone here.

I was thinking common sense from a play stand point, not a business stand point. The people who want this to carry through, are not asking for this because it will help Turbine.

Tomes =/= spells.

Bring them up is totally irrelevant.

I agree it is irrelevant. So is keeping tomes through a TR.

If you want to TR you will, if you want to keep your tomes you won't.
If I want to keep my spells I will not TR into a barbarian, if my spells are that important I will not TR.

[FengXian]

/not signed

the reason is simple, the +3/+4 or w/e bonus you get from the tome becomes part of your toon when you use the tome, and unlike equipment, obviously dies with your toon when you TR it.

It would be easier to play keeping tomes after TR's, it would be easier to play if leveling after TR didn't require more xp etc, but the point of TR is sacrifice. If you don't want to make one, don't TR. Or don't eat +3/+4 tomes if you're not sure...

About the people who ate tomes before TR was available, yeah looks unfair, maybe they should have been refunded somehow, dunno...about the people going for completionist and getting messed up by new classes showin' up...well not many of them anyway lol (I do believe you should be allowed to keep the completionist feat even if new classes are relased tho).

[Robi3.0]

This is like saying that people should be hit by a car if they try to cross a street because you are opposed to adding crosswalks.

I hope you realize that not only does that not make any sense, it is completely irrelevant to the discussion.

[lobode]

I would like the option to pay more to keep the tomes during a TR. Or an option to remove any tomes you ate. It probably would best if it only worked on BTC +3 and +4 tomes so Turbine could still make money selling +1s and +2s.

Actually after thinking about it a little more, it would be best if they allowed one of these options.

1. Have two options for TR. The current way and a more expensive option that removes all BTC tomes and adds them to your reincarnation bank.

2. Have a store option that allows you to remove BTC tomes at any time.

BTC tomes are raid loot just as much as any other BTC item you get in a raid and should not be lost.