Petition to keep the bonus from manual with true reincarnation

[stoolcannon]

While I agree with your stance on this topic, continuing to call the current situation "communism" is ludicrous and detracts focus from the current issue: TRing and keeping your tomes.

Oh for the love of all that's good I'm just playing around. Holy **** at the sensitivity on these forums. If that got you upset then don't read anything I post or put me on ignore.

[AylinIsAwesome]

I was thinking common sense from a play stand point, not a business stand point. The people who want this to carry through, are not asking for this because it will help Turbine.

The motivations are irrelevant. If it helps Turbine, that's reason for them to do it, and it obviously helps us. I fail to see why we shouldn't have it when the benefits for all are good.

I agree it is irrelevant. So is keeping tomes through a TR.

If you want to TR you will, if you want to keep your tomes you won't.
If I want to keep my spells I will not TR into a barbarian, if my spells are that important I will not TR.

Again, talking about spells are irrelevant.

Even if you TR into a wizard again, it's relatively easy to relearn those spells. Buy the scrolls you can, learn the ones you can't from a trainer.

There is no similar option for tomes. If there were, there would be no movement to keep tomes when TRing.

[Khanyth]

Quick question:

If I get a +4 tome in life 1, then another in life 2, does it stack with life 1?

Because if it does.... ach du lieber, das uberoverpowermentheit.

If it doesn't, then why should they transfer over in the first place? Why should life1 get the plus 4, but not life 2?

Unless I got this whole thing backwards?

[Tobril]

I hope you realize that not only does that not make any sense, it is completely irrelevant to the discussion.

It does make sense and is relevant.

A person wants to cross a busy street. (decision) Person wants to TR.

They can’t cross the street without being hit by a car. (consequence) TR and lose +3/+4 tomes.

A crosswalk would allow them to cross the street and not be hit by a car. (solution) More expensive TR option would allow the TR to keep tomes.

[biggin]

Get a bank of +4 tomes and then let us know how you feel. It may change your perspective a bit.

That's true of course. BTW, would you also do some character maintenance for me since you are logged into my account?

[kernal42]

They don't get screwed. They get to keep up to a +4 tome on the classes main stat. You wouldn't consider this an improvement over the current system? Or is it an all or nothing deal?

If you TR'd your STR based FVS, but got to keep a +4 tome for CHA you would still be ****ed? I guess to each their own.

And yes, it is good for some players. In keeping with the theme of TR's, since clerics remember cleric stuff, sorcs remember sorc stuff, that you could "remember" up to a +4 to your classes main stat seems like a decent middle ground.

Your proposal doesn't do anything to help the "Scenario 1", in which a completionist must TR into druid and back to their final build. All but wis (I assume) is lost when TRing into druid, and then all but int (for example) is lost when TRing back into a final wizard build. Thus: All is lost.

Even more annoying is that such a system would be subverted by TRing into whatever class keep the tome you find most valuable, then LR'ing into the build you actually want. It's running through hoops unnecessarily. Just let the player pick what tome to keep, or let the player keep all tomes.

DDO is not about significant and arbitrary restrictions due to class choices.

Cheers,
Kernal

[Eschelon]

My biggest questions are:
1. Who does it hurt in the future to change this mechanic
2. Who does it help in the future to change this mechanic
3. If it is about the "reality" of spirit transformation during tr, then why play a game at all other than based on life

Most of what I see against have been the reality argument, and the just because argument

[AylinIsAwesome]

Oh for the love of all that's good I'm just playing around. Holy **** at the sensitivity on these forums. If that got you upset then don't read anything I post or put me on ignore.

Calm down.

I never said I was upset, and I'm not upset. However, to try to turn this into a political issue is just a waste of time, because it won't get anything done other than start a flame war.

[Tholar]

Eating a tome before we all knew about reincarnating is irrelevant to this conversation.

That would be like asking for all those gimp characters I rerolled back before reincarnate. I can LR them into useful characters now.

Not trying to start an argument with this one, but trying to remove one branch from the tree this thread is becoming.

[stoolcannon]

Quick question:

If I get a +4 tome in life 1, then another in life 2, does it stack with life 1?

Because if it does.... ach du lieber, das uberoverpowermentheit.

If it doesn't, then why should they transfer over in the first place? Why should life1 get the plus 4, but not life 2?

Unless I got this whole thing backwards?

Well, it shouldn't. That's not what the op is suggesting. Just that they carry over. That means if he'd already eaten a +4 then he would not be able to go above +4 again in any future life.

If you TR, you would be born with regular str ad then at level 15 your +4 tome would come back into effect, which is exactly what happens when you LR>

[Gunga]

Calm down.

I never said I was upset, and I'm not upset. However, to try to turn this into a political issue is just a waste of time, because it won't get anything done other than start a flame war.

Did anyone ever tell you that you are awesome?

[AylinIsAwesome]

Did anyone ever tell you that you are awesome?

The name started as a joke my significant other made about a year ago.

[stoolcannon]

Calm down.

I never said I was upset, and I'm not upset. However, to try to turn this into a political issue is just a waste of time, because it won't get anything done other than start a flame war.

It's not a political issue, it's a joke. Sarcasm layered on sarcasm if you will.

[eonfreon]

/not signed

the reason is simple, the +3/+4 or w/e bonus you get from the tome becomes part of your toon when you use the tome, and unlike equipment, obviously dies with your toon when you TR it.

Oh that's just so obvious, how could I miss it.
You know what's just as obvious? That magic is a powerful thing and someday perhaps a new threat will reveal itself that us heroes must conquer else the world would be destroyed.
And obviously for this great dead done for the world, our reward from the Gods will be a special Stone which pulls out the magic of our used Tomes and allows us to reuse it in our further quest to become powerful and worthy of the Gods' favors.

After all, once it was obvious that if your Con score was reduced to zero you died. Or that if you used two weapons you had a 100% chance to use them all the time. Or that Zeal increased the speed that you swung your weapons.

Nowadays? Well, obviously not quite so much.

[Robi3.0]

It does make sense and is relevant.

A person wants to cross a busy street. (decision) Person wants to TR.

They can’t cross the street without being hit by a car. (consequence) TR and lose +3/+4 tomes.

A crosswalk would allow them to cross the street and not be hit by a car. (solution) More expensive TR option would allow the TR to keep tomes.

Nope, still not relevant.

Why you may ask?

Because losing your tomes is no where as bad as getting hit by a car. As well as the fact that getting hit by a car has absolutely no upside.

If for some reason you think that getting hit by a car is equal to losing tomes. You have a sick and twisted world out look.

[Khanyth]

Well, it shouldn't. That's not what the op is suggesting. Just that they carry over. That means if he'd already eaten a +4 then he would not be able to go above +4 again in any future life.

If you TR, you would be born with regular str ad then at level 15 your +4 tome would come back into effect, which is exactly what happens when you LR>

So then, why does life1 get the tome but not life2?

I thought with a TR, you start over, brand new as a character etc etc etc?

If the tomes don't stack, then there's no loss: life1 gets a +4, eats it, loses it, works to get another, gets it, eats the +4, life goes on.

[kernal42]

Quick question:

If I get a +4 tome in life 1, then another in life 2, does it stack with life 1?

Inherent bonuses do not stack. There's no reason to have the tomes stack in this way.

Because if it does.... ach du lieber, das uberoverpowermentheit.

Yes.

If it doesn't, then why should they transfer over in the first place? Why should life1 get the plus 4, but not life 2?

Unless I got this whole thing backwards?

That's a good question, to which nobody has presented a good answer beyond "Because Turbine said so."

Cheers,
Kernal

[Tholar]

Did anyone ever tell you that you are awesome?

I will agree with Gunga on this one.

Also, it's kind of fun to have a discussion without people getting mad, or even the 'neg rep' flying. I hate being neg repped to extinction because I disagree with a big greenis person.

[Khanyth]

Nope, still not relevant.

Why you may ask?

Because losing your tomes is no where as bad as getting hit by a car. As well as the fact that getting hit by a car has absolutely no upside.

If for some reason you think that getting hit by a car is equal to losing tomes. You have a sick and twisted world out look.

I get hit by car.

I get hurt.

I sue driver for lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I'm richer than I was before I got hit.

***tada*** upside!!!

[Eschelon]

I get hit by car.

I get hurt.

I sue driver for lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I'm richer than I was before I got hit.

***tada*** upside!!!

Then you get to buy all your +2 tomes back from the DDO store