clickie out of control?

[selutha]

Simple as that, do you think the clickies are out of control. People have have tons of gear in their inventroy just to put it on and then use it for the ability then switch back to their normal gear. I don't mind a few rings but my god 3 or 4 robes, weapons,belts,ect... can you imagine what you character would look like at the start of an adventure telling the party "Hang on, i got 7 different belts, 3 shoes, 6 necklaces, 2 trinks, 1 helmet to use before we start."

Clickies starting to cause breakage? pots,potions, few rings sure....

Perhaps have the effect end on removal of the gear? like feather fall items? Put a longer wait on changing items?

Thought it was funny, saw a video on youtube and the ui has 6 bars all filled with gear to click.

Before any one rails on me I am eating my own idea. Some might say I will be gimped, but I am not using clickies that are not on my body permently as a role playing rule. Diffrent gear for diffrent quests sure, but no putting on a belt just to click it for the buff.

Any way just wanted to hear your perspective on it: do you agree or disagree if you do disagree why?

[incineration]

hold on, i need to use ghero/visor before this starts, and possibly my stave of the seer

[Jakarr]

Visor and Planars are my only clickies on most of my characters if not all.

I do though carry a few sets of boots for FOM, Striding, Fire Absorb, UWA. A Couple rings for Elec Absorb, Eye of the Beholder, Ring of Spell Storing. Couple other items I switch here and there depending if I need to melee or cast.

[hityawithastick]

My being a wizard may have something to do with it, but I almost never use clickies on my main. I just equip my potency weapon and blast away. On my rogue, however, I might keep acid, fire, and lightning resist clickies hotbarred just in case. I don't have whole vats of clickies though, just because I think that if you need that many spells to function, you will die first time you meet a beholder. :P

[stille_nacht]

eh, as a wizard, the only clickies i use a lot are the Superior Inferno IX on my regalia, the superior potency VIII on my belt, and the epic ring of ss clickies.

[KillEveryone]

Pots are a must unless you can UMD a decent wand. I haven't found a resist clickie that will cast a 30 resist. I do have some wands of that type that I looted. Some people like to carry equipment with resists but I don't like that much inventory space used. Besides that, there are times when you need a couple of resists so I'm happy with pots. I'd also rather have a different effect in my gear slots.

I do have a few clickies but they are remove disease and curse. Poison if I'm not wearing a Prof Against. Each clickie has 5 charges and I only carry 1 item of each. I don't need that many of those types and if I'm going to be doing a quest or area where that stuff gets spammed like Sands then I carry pots. I also try to carry at least one Visor of the Flesh Render but I'll farm up a second soon enough for the character that needs it. These are the only clickies that are standard on all my characters that can't cast remove or death ward.

I'll carry a bulls/bears/etc... clickie until I level up enough to wear a +4 item.

Rogue and fighter both have a planar gird.

Wizard has Superior Inferno/Freeze/etc... clickies because those put out more damage than a regular potentcy item.

Made a Mabar robe for my bard, monk, and wiz. Even though my bard can UMD, scrolls just don't cut it in duration and it annoys me to have to keep refreshing with a scroll. The robe clickie lasts a good amount of time. My monk isn't going to UMD.

I wish I could find more rage clickies with more than 1 charge but I suck so many of those pots I don't think I could carry enough. Same problem with haste. I carry pots of each.

Expeditious retreat clickies for town until I can get the pendant. I have a ring with 5 charges that gets me around so I don't have to mess with Korthos boots. I don't want to suck pots for town and I want to move faster than the best strider.

Korthos FF cloak until I have a perm FF item. Same with under water item.

I'd like to find a lesser restoration clickie with more than one charge to replace my stack.

My bard only uses one and a half pages for gear. Fighter, rogue, and wiz takes two and a half but the fighter and rogue are TWF so they have extra weapons and the rogue has a few pieces of rogue gear, the wiz has the lore, focus, and spell pen items and also a few pieces of rogue gear.

I like clickies quite a lot. They recharge and do the same thing as a pot so that saves plat and if you can't cast the spell like GH, the clickie that can comes in very handy. They may not last as long as a spell but they are better than nothing.

[selutha]

I like clickies quite a lot. They recharge and do the same thing as a pot so that saves plat and if you can't cast the spell like GH, the clickie that can comes in very handy. They may not last as long as a spell but they are better than nothing.

True you would ether have to spend a lot of money or you would not have the buffs, but if it was that way then wouldn't the game play have more variance? I do admit you may not want it to have that much variance.

ex: low lv buffs you want, (yes I know there are many more)

-blur
-resist elements
-protection elements
-rage
-bull's str
-cat's grace

Now we can both agree that those buffs as as few as they maybe will make the quest easier. Normally you have them in clickies. Now lets say you only have these buffs in that you wear actively on your body and use:

-bull's str x3
-rage x3

Assuming 3 charges each, now isn't having a wiz in your party for buffs make it much nicer?

Now lets add a cleric to the mix:

Wiz buffs

-blur
-resist elements
-protection elements
-rage
-bull's str
-cat's grace

Cleric buffs

-aid
-bless
-protection vs evil
-shield of faith
-remove fear

Makes it even nicer, now gameplay and the tactics that you use to run though the quest could start chaning and the hardness level.

If you only use the clickies on you, then it turns that ring of bull's strength and belt of rage x3 from the norm to "Gonna save these for the boss at the end!" I feel it adds more value to that ring of and flavors the game play, but if it isn't for you thats cool. Just trying to get a feel for how others feel, while I personally feel clickies are alittle broken and take away from the game.

[Gremmlynn]

Without going into how I would imagine the gear might be carried, I find the clickies and the like make for clunky game play. I would rather the effects just be icons attached to the character and skip the clutter and clunky mechanics.

I will say, I like the idea of effects going away if the item that casts them is unequipped though. It would make one put more thought into what the best gear compromise is in any given situation, rather than just covering everything all the time and tossing your normal gear back on.

[pHo3nix]

True you would ether have to spend a lot of money or you would not have the buffs, but if it was that way then wouldn't the game play have more variance? I do admit you may not want it to have that much variance.

Players with a lot of plat would have the buffs anyway, new players wouldn't..

I couldn't live without clickies, i got clickies for almost every buff i need..i like to be self sufficient in every aspect i can, from healing to hasting myself..only thing i miss is the clickie of deathward, cause i haven't the AP, but i usually summon a hireling with deathward to deal with this problem :P

Oh, and my main (sorc/pal/rog) is based on divine power clickies, if i had to use the scrolls it would be a real pain

[KillEveryone]

True you would ether have to spend a lot of money or you would not have the buffs, but if it was that way then wouldn't the game play have more variance? I do admit you may not want it to have that much variance.

ex: low lv buffs you want, (yes I know there are many more)

-blur
-resist elements
-protection elements
-rage
-bull's str
-cat's grace

Now we can both agree that those buffs as as few as they maybe will make the quest easier. Normally you have them in clickies. Now lets say you only have these buffs in that you wear actively on your body and use:

-bull's str x3
-rage x3

Assuming 3 charges each, now isn't having a wiz in your party for buffs make it much nicer?

Now lets add a cleric to the mix:

Wiz buffs

-blur
-resist elements
-protection elements
-rage
-bull's str
-cat's grace

Cleric buffs

-aid
-bless
-protection vs evil
-shield of faith
-remove fear

Makes it even nicer, now gameplay and the tactics that you use to run though the quest could start chaning and the hardness level.

If you only use the clickies on you, then it turns that ring of bull's strength and belt of rage x3 from the norm to "Gonna save these for the boss at the end!" I feel it adds more value to that ring of and flavors the game play, but if it isn't for you thats cool. Just trying to get a feel for how others feel, while I personally feel clickies are alittle broken and take away from the game.

The Wizard isn't a buff bot so I don't ask for them to spend their SP on me. I can handle that myself. Clickies last long enough and the wiz can use their SP to play the way they want. They also might not have some of those memorized. Probably blur and resist and if they happly cast it on me I'm thankful but I can suck a pot when I need it and have no problem with the wiz using their SP for what they want to do.

There are very few times I ask for a specific buff from a caster and those times are raids or epic quests and the whole group gets buffed. Those times are harder than a normal quest...in theory at least...but the buffs then help more than a normal quest that can be stomped on.

I may ask for haste but I carry pots if they can't cast it yet at lower levels, same with rage. At low levels it doesn't last long anyway so it does get SP costly.

There are also new people that don't understand spells so they may be learning how to play. If I'm prepared, I don't have to worry about someone that doesn't understand yet.

I also don't like to ask for buffs unless it is for something like Freedom of Movement that you can't get on a clickie or buy scrolls for(Freedom scrolls off the AH is too few. I like to buy scrolls by a full stack of 100,) and the only item that gives that effect is from VoN 6 and it is a rare piece of gear.

I also like to be self sufficient. I also have a haggle bard and farm good vendor loot and buy and sell with that character so plat isn't an issue...been buying festivult coins though and that is puttng a slight crimp into things. Even before that bard though, I still prefered to be self sufficient and like to group with those types of players. They have a semblance of self preservation and that makes my gaming expierence better. Big difference between a player asking for every buff in the book then zerging and yelling hejalllzzzz and someone that can take care of things themselves while zerging.

I don't mind buffing with my caster types and if someone wants something then I'll typically cast it but not everyone has this philosophy.

The clickies last long enough to get between shrines. Low level quests there are typically enough shrines around to recharge them before the last boss. Other quests with several beholders I'll pack a item to even out my stat and work with that. I can also save a clickie for that last boss because trash is really quite easy to deal with anyway.

[Khellendros13]

How else would I get Deathward, GH, Earth Elemental, Stoneskin on a character without enough UMD?

Do you want to get rid of wands and scrolls too? How about just remove UMD?

I like being self sufficient thank you very much.

[selutha]

How else would I get Deathward, GH, Earth Elemental, Stoneskin on a character without enough UMD?

Thats simple, get umd and use scrolls or team with someone that has your buffs.

Do you want to get rid of wands and scrolls too? How about just remove UMD?

Extremest view, not productive in any way, but I will bite. There is a diffrence from a change in game play to make gear choice matter more and simplifying gear choice by removing effects totally.

I like being self sufficient thank you very much.

Your not self sufficient only reliant on your clickies.

[Khellendros13]

Thats simple, get umd and use scrolls or team with someone that has your buffs.



Extremest view, not productive in any way, but I will bite. There is a diffrence from a change in game play to make gear choice matter more and simplifying gear choice by removing effects totally.



Your not self sufficient only reliant on your clickies.

Not it is not that simple. I am not going to put an LFM up for a cleric or fvs to come and deathward me, or an arcane to cast jump on me, while I solo Sins or any other quest on my Paladin. I hate using hirelings too.

Read the opening paragraph - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-sufficiency

So you don't like using key buffs from items - then don't. Wait around for that haste or deathward or GH instead of doing it yourself and getting on with the quest.

Just don't try to ruin my fun with ******** excuses as to why this is a problem and needs changing.

[GreenGurgler]

Good for you.

Don't like clickies? Don't use em... nuff said.

Its not like were talking about exploits or tactics.

Because you don't like it isn't reason enough to remove or amend the way they work.


That's my useless 2cp.

[eonfreon]

I'm just going to touch on a couple of points.

First of all as I've gotten higher level and as I've gotten more plat my dependence on clickies has gone down not up. Why carry a clickie with 3 Resist Poisons when I can carry a stack of potions? Same with Rage, Haste, etc.
I have the money and it does me no good sitting in a bank.

Second, the major reason I carry all these weapons and gear is because this is not PnP. As I log on I want to maximize my time and do various quests, not run back and forth to the bank to get the gear I'll need for the quest I'm going to run. In PnP we basically have unlimited space. Yes, because we have "homes" and banks that do not have a hard limit on what you can store in them in PnP.

In DDO I carry my smiting and Greater Construct Bane weapons on me all the time because if I decide to do a quest with constructs I want to be ready to go, not have to run to the bank and change gear around and my bank is clogged up with various nonstacking items that DDO requires I have for various reasons. Most of the time they don't get any use. For all intents and purposes they are not even "there". Heck, I have more space in my backpack then I have in the bank anyway.

In PnP that problem would not really exist. I would tell the DM I went and got my gear before the quest and presto, I have it and time has "passed".

I don't know any DM who would figure the time it would take in real life and use a clock and make us wait around and do nothing while time ticked away. When I say I walk over there, suddenly I'm there, the DM doesn't make me count out the steps and such.

As far as having all the buffs and activate them with AP or something, that sounds slightly interesting, but then you're talking about a complete overhaul of the system and not the same game. Perhaps in a future game, but pointless to even contemplate that for this game.

A good majority of the clickies one uses even before battle, so time is subjective. Maybe it's instant, maybe the game just makes it instant for the sake of my sanity. There's no point in making us wait for "realistic" timed gear changing, just like there's no reason to do it in PnP. All it would do is slow the game down for those of us who enjoy a fast paced game. As an example, people want the Rogue's search for traps animation shortened, not lengthened. Because it's pointless. When a DM tells a Rogue it takes him ten minutes to search an area, it doesn't take ten real minutes.

It's all about roleplaying and imagination. In my mind's eye I see feints and thrusts and parries and blocks that the computer doesn't animate.

This is a world of high magic. What's so "unrealistic" about magical items that are stored in a magical space that instantly materialize when you utter a "command word"?

[selutha]

Not it is not that simple. I am not going to put an LFM up for a cleric or fvs to come and deathward me, or an arcane to cast jump on me, while I solo Sins or any other quest on my Paladin. I hate using hirelings too.

Read the opening paragraph - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-sufficiency

So you don't like using key buffs from items - then don't. Wait around for that haste or deathward or GH instead of doing it yourself and getting on with the quest.

Just don't try to ruin my fun with ******** excuses as to why this is a problem and needs changing.

You are a fairly rude person, so this will be the last time I humor your posts before blocking you. I have read and do know the defination to self-sufficent, do you? You are very dependent on your "clickies" which in my eyes makes you not self-sufficient. I am glad that you enjoy the game as it is. I think it could be better so I do suggest a change. We both pay or not for the same game, it is with in my right to suggest a change just as it is in your right to disagree, but I do not believe your have a right to be rude and make me read it. Enjoy your game.

[noinfo]

Thats simple, get umd and use scrolls or team with someone that has your buffs.



Extremest view, not productive in any way, but I will bite. There is a diffrence from a change in game play to make gear choice matter more and simplifying gear choice by removing effects totally.



Your not self sufficient only reliant on your clickies.

1. Gear clickies are limited in both duration and number of times per day. Scrolls and Pots are not. If you think people will not have enough money to fund pots and scrolls you need to go play a bit more.

2. Everyone in this game IS gear dependant. If you think otherwise once again play for a bit longer at end game to actually get an understanding of this. It does not matter what class, what race etc you are, YOU ARE DEPENDANT on gear. Ensuring you have the right gear is self sufficiency...

[shagath]

You are losing dps, toughness and overall effectiveness if you are skipping clickies you don't wear constantly. Also you will probably make some quests or raids fail too. I don't see that as a fun but hey, you can play however you want anyhow.

I don't like clickies too much(have only 14 shortcut bars) but for my own play, I use whatever makes said quest/raid easier. I like challenge but not by preventing yourself to be effective.

One idea that has been in my mind for quite some time is to just have clickies from items on shortcut bars so you can active them without swapping gear.

[vyvy3369]

...Clickies starting to cause breakage? pots,potions, few rings sure....

So you're OK with consumables, but not items with similar effects that recharge? That just seems rather silly. Most things people use clickies for can also come from some type of consumable, so that doesn't seem like it would really help all that much. Make clickies harder to use, and people will just switch to the typically less desirable consumable versions. There are benefits and drawbacks to clickies too. They typically take up more inventory space, but are generally useable by characters that may not be able to use the consumable version. Some effects, such as GS haste, last significantly longer than comparable potion/scroll effects. They also have the danger of running out, whereas a stack of consumables will almost certainly last throughout whatever you're doing.

It's good that you're playing the way you'd like the game to work, but your way isn't going to be very popular, and shouldn't be shoved down the throats of everyone else. Various clickies have been (and I'm sure will be) nerfed as they get out of control, but clickies in general are just fine. I still miss the days of earth elemental armies though...

[eonfreon]

Do you also roleplay the extra time it should take to sheath a weapon and pull out another? How about the time it would take to find the potion you might need in a bag?

It's just "magic". I just figure there's a minor mental link between the character and the portable hole that carries his gear and it just magically appears where and when it's needed.

I just figure these are the rules of magic in the world I play/live in.

I mean we are talking about a world where fireballs fly from Wizard's hands. Magical teleporting gear seems about right.