Monk ability DCs

[neclon]

EDIT found this neat thing I'll be reading now:

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=242643


So, dc's seem to either be str, wis, or cha? Plus need 17 dex after tome to get TWF line, right?

The major thought I have is that I will have to pick a main stat and max it out, or suck at all of my abilities equally. What are the main options with each route?

(saw cha was for a ranged stun shintao, seems the least likely route for a pure monk..., wisdom for one move and strength for stunning fist/blow)

[Khurse]

Most of Monk abilities are based off of Wisdom, including Stunning Fist. (Stunning Blow is Str)
I consider Stunning Fist to be superior enough to Stunning Blow that I'd never worry about fitting SB into a build.

If you're planning on using Stunning Fist you want 40+ Wisdom. (or high 30's + tactics)

really it comes down to what you want to play, if you want to go pure DPS, and not worry about AC, Raising you Str and using SB can work. If you're planning an AC build I wouldn't worry about SB.Take SF and max wisdom.

[Marmaduke]

While you can theoretically get to 40+ wisdom (7item + 3enhancement + 4tome + 4stance + 5lvl), you would have to start with a 17 or 18 wis at character creation and have terrible str/dex. This is assuming of course that you're not running around 24/7 with a +2 wisdom pot (making your already terrible reflex save even worse) and you're not a double TR.

And, with such low tohit from having no strength or dex, how would you hit anything where those overkill DCs would come into play, ie. epics?

IMO, if you play a monk, you either play with a "me smash gud" mentality and go all strength. Or you round out your stats and go for wisdom as well as strength (dex debatable depending on stance and endgame goals). Either is fine, but I just can't see why one would reasonably sacrifice everything else for the sake of insane wisdom.

[dpadan17]

I have a Tr'd monk with scores of (non ship buffs) (wind stance)

24 str
38 dex (yes a +4 tome was used)
24 con
12 int
26 wiz (really hoping for the magic tome in TOD's 20th)
10 cha

with ship buffs, add +2 to all stats. I have noticed a SIGNIFICANT difference in DPS now he is back to lvl 20. Very effective. His dc's are very decent and land most of the time. His Dc's of stunning fist is an even 40 (if i recall). This hits quite often in epics as well. I might be missing something but i could have sworn there were 2 more points somewhere to make his DC's a 42.

Some prefer STR builds, some Wiz, but i chose Dex for an AC build. Raid buffed up i can get into the high 70's. That is sometimes unhittable against the Jailor in part 1 of TOD. I do stun stuff a bunch as well. All are quite good builds. It's a playstyle preference. If you want to get better DC's. pump up the wiz. But you will suffer in STR points.

The question is. Do you want to pump up your DC's to be more of a helper or go the opposite to be a more DPS style monk. My build is more of a mix of both. (IMO)

But to add, Hekx's build is a solid build and he is an excellent monk....

[Marmaduke]

fyi, with 26 wisdom, your dc's are at 38.

[ripperj]

If you're planning on using Stunning Fist you want 40+ Wisdom. (or high 30's + tactics)

!!!supreme overkill!!!

24+ wisdom will do just fine, even in epics

[Silverr]

38 stunning fist DC will stun almost anything.

[Tobril]

38 stunning fist DC will stun almost anything.

38 is fine most of the time, but there are a few monsters that will resist:

ATDQ Reavers
House D spiritcallers
Devil Assault orthons/devils
Probably others

[dpadan17]

fyi, with 26 wisdom, your dc's are at 38.

bah i thought so. with the +2 ship buffs to make the wis a 28 then im at a 39 dc. not too shabby

[Khurse]

38 stunning fist DC will stun almost anything.

Almost anything sometimes.

Hekx currently (shipbuffed) has a 45 or 46 DC, and still can't get everything on epics with the reliability that I'd like.
That being said, when I finish equipping him with the gear I want that's only going to go up another point or two, I'd suggest (only imo of course) that building for much higher than that is really going to start gimping you somewhere else.
(That's on a human, with access to tactics/etc you could bump it up quite a few points)

** Also should point out that "the reliability I'd like" is around a 90% success rate against anything that can be stunned. As others have mentioned, 38 will work OK, just don't be expected to jump into stuff like Epic Chrono etc and have it work.
Of course with that being said, if you go Shintao, many of your stuns work off of will saves, which (generally speaking) with trash are considerably lower than the fort saves Stunning Fist goes against.

[neclon]

How are you getting 38 DC with 26 wisdom? Isn't only half the monk level put into the calc?

(10 + Half Monk level [10] + Wis Bonus [8]) = 28? You using a light mace of stunning or something?

[ArtosKincaid]

Every monk wears Handwraps of Stunning.

[neclon]

So the statement this guy makes in this thread about stunning handwraps not effecting stunning fist: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=242643

Is just false? Or did they change it since he posted that?

[Jaid314]

once upon a time, stunning didn't work to increase the DC for anyone. mind you, back then, it was also a 1-5% chance to proc (depending on how good it was) and had no save for the proc, so they were still ridiculously good.

[rodallec]

DC40~ is easy(ish) to obtain and very effective.
start with 14-16 wis and win. dont put lvl ups into wisdom unless you have it all planned out.

[frznvimes]

*nvm

[Tobril]

So the statement this guy makes in this thread about stunning handwraps not effecting stunning fist: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=242643

Is just false? Or did they change it since he posted that?

Handwraps now give their bonus to stunning fist.

[sephiroth1084]

38 is fine most of the time, but there are a few monsters that will resist:

ATDQ Reavers
House D spiritcallers
Devil Assault orthons/devils
Probably others

I found that I was able to stun stuff in EDA often. Not 100%, but it's probably not worth starting with over a 16 Wis (and certainly not worth putting level ups into Wis) just to get closer to perfect stuns in these places. A 38 DC is pretty good for most content (including epics), and isn't difficult to obtain:
15 base
+2 tome
+3 enhancements
+6 item
___
26 (+8)

20 monk
+10 wraps
+8 Wis
___
38
+1 Lesser Wis Shrine
+2 from +3 exceptional Wis and +3 Wis tome
+1 Yugo
___
42 would be excellent with some more stuff, still without spending too much on Wis

[neclon]

once upon a time, stunning didn't work to increase the DC for anyone. mind you, back then, it was also a 1-5% chance to proc (depending on how good it was) and had no save for the proc, so they were still ridiculously good.

That kinda puts a huge damper on that whole thread I was reading, lol... I need a modern version of that. I'm a fan of just being able to squish stuff, and I want to be a WF so I'm still somewhat likely to lean toward his build (with maybe a bit more wis).