What happened to Playing for fun???

[Ryu_109]

Well im shocked!, today was the first time I have ever in all my time playing been declined from a shroud raid on >NORMAL< because my SoS and bloodstone "will gimp my DPS".... Now its not an Epic SoS and I can see that -10 per hit might be an issue for some... but im a maxed STR kensi fighter with full haste boots and crits on a 14... people... if that aint DPS enough for a shourd on normal then im afraid I must walk away form this game for good...

Now im working on my GS stuff, truly I am, but I have a family, job and real life friends to balance out with having a hobby in playing an awesome game, but elitists have clearly tainted the mind of the majority and if you dont treat this game as a second life then you do not belong in it, or at least that is the way things are heading...

Please, please, please prove that my thinking is wrong and there are still some sensible people that have a life and a job and occasionally have intercourse with other human beings (or "get laid" if that is your preferred wording) that still play the game

a shroud normal hahaha brings tears of laughter everytime I think of it...

[CaptGrim]

It may be elitist, but they are obviously not elite players. More often than not it is weak players that think they need a perfect party. Shroud normal can be completed with any 12 classes in a decent time, the 2 healers 1 caster 9 dps groups that stay up waiting for the perfect mix make me lol.

This raid should be like abbot and reaver....take the first 11 people to click the LFM and go.

5 minutes longer completion, is not worth an extra 15 waiting for the perfect mix.

[PCNONSENSE]

I would suggest not even looking twice at ANY lfm that asks to post weapons...

What those lfms mean to me is the leader is not confident enough in his abilities that he needs to make up for it somehow.

I like to put an lfm up next to those that says something like "Shroud run - masterwork weapons only" or some other sarcastic nonsense

[jwdaniels]

I've been asked to post DR breakers once in the shrouds that I have run on my barbarian. That run failed in part 2. I have had one group leader question my ability to be second healer in a shroud with a level 16 cleric. That group died halfway through the first round of part 4. It sounds to me like the leader of that group you describe did you a favor.

Rule of Thumb: The amount of qualifying criteria to be accepted into a shroud pug is inversely proportional to the quality of that pug.

[Bracosius]

Yeah, it is certainly not elitists you have a problem with.

The standard SOS may not be ideal damage, but elite players do not really care what you have. They will complete a shroud normal with or without you and don't mind if you grab the coat tails for a ride to large ingrediants.

Elite players leave with 8 people if thats all that hit the LFM in the 5 minutes they are willing to wait for the group to form. Your damage output is meaningless for them.

You were declined by a player that fails Shroud runs because they are not good or properly geared.

[Bolo_Grubb]

I would suggest not even looking twice at ANY lfm that asks to post weapons...

What those lfms mean to me is the leader is not confident enough in his abilities that he needs to make up for it somehow.

I like to put an lfm up next to those that says something like "Shroud run - masterwork weapons only" or some other sarcastic nonsense

I need to find a +1 mettaline dagger of pg or something similar to post when they ask for DR busters :-)

[TitoJ]

Playing for fun got boring a long time ago. Now we play to be better than you.

[KreepyKritter]

"Shroud run - masterwork weapons only"

When I get my TR'd toon back up in that range again... I'd totally be down for that run... and then go back at cap and run it naked.

[Srozbun]

You don't need a DR breaker to complete shroud on normal. However, you will be doing 15 less damage per swing and you will therefore be contributing less DPS than another melee with a DR breaker. Will that wipe the raid? Probably not. Probably not unless all the melees in the group were of the "I don't need a DR breaker" mentality.

A DR breaker does not mean Min II. Holy/Silver, Metalline of PG, Metalline/flametouched can all bypass Harry's DR. While these weapons may be expensive on the AH for new players, there are ways to acquire them that should be accessible to everyone.

1) If you are low on funds your DR breaker does not have to be your weapon on choice. You are a TWF khopesh user? Well don't be afraid to use another weapon that has met/PG on it.

2) Don't use the AH. Try to purchase a DR breaker on your server's trade forum or borrow/purchase one from a guildy.

Also, as you have said OP, this was the first time you've been declined. How many shrouds have you run? People are generally not selective with normal shrouds and if you get declined once in a while for not having a DR breaker, just move on and join another group. Shroud is run 24/7 and chances are another group will accept you.

I would suggest not even looking twice at ANY lfm that asks to post weapons...

What those lfms mean to me is the leader is not confident enough in his abilities that he needs to make up for it somehow.

I like to put an lfm up next to those that says something like "Shroud run - masterwork weapons only" or some other sarcastic nonsense

Some groups that ask for DR breakers do so because of the reason you stated. I know others who make these groups because they don't want to deal with people who are either ignorant of what breaks DR, or are new/incapabale/unwilling to acquire the necessary weapons to do so. Is that elitist? maybe. Is it fair? Probably not. But everyone plays this game for their own reasons. I would not taunt anyone with this kind of LFM up just as I would not taunt anyone with a Shroud LFM up with "reform" in it.

[Ryu_109]

Well reading all your posts your thoughts are the same as mine if on a shroud normal you need to have the best of the best join as a character yourself your severely gimped :P when I tried to tell this leader that my DPS is fine he got on his high horse about me being gimped lol so left him to it you cant argue with people like that, their over compensating for real life inadequacies and it makes them nerd rage if you noob up their raid :P

[LordPiglet]

I've been asked to post DR breakers once in the shrouds that I have run on my barbarian. That run failed in part 2. I have had one group leader question my ability to be second healer in a shroud with a level 16 cleric. That group died halfway through the first round of part 4. It sounds to me like the leader of that group you describe did you a favor.

Rule of Thumb: The amount of qualifying criteria to be accepted into a shroud pug is inversely proportional to the quality of that pug.

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[mws2970]

I wish I had a screenie, but I saw a Sarlona Shroud LFM up for 18-20 normal that said to read the levels. Apparently the leader could only complete this with toons at/over the raid level? I just LOL'ed and went about my business.

[jwdaniels]

Well reading all your posts your thoughts are the same as mine if on a shroud normal you need to have the best of the best join as a character yourself your severely gimped :P when I tried to tell this leader that my DPS is fine he got on his high horse about me being gimped lol so left him to it you cant argue with people like that, their over compensating for real life inadequacies and it makes them nerd rage if you noob up their raid :P

If it will make you feel any better, he is almsot definitely the type of player that takes longer to open a solver online than the rest of us do solving our puzzles in part 3.

[Chai]

Oops, I tripped and fell, landing on the completion button for Shroud on normal. /sigh...See you in three days.

I wish I had a screenie, but I saw a Sarlona Shroud LFM up for 18-20 normal that said to read the levels. Apparently the leader could only complete this with toons at/over the raid level? I just LOL'ed and went about my business.

12 level 20s should be able to complete with +1 metalline flame touched iron light hammers as DPS weapons on normal at this point. I saw that same LFM. I tossed mine up after theirs and we were in part 3 while their LFM was still up.

[Dandonk]

The Playing For Fun feat got removed with the launch of Eberron Unlimited. A few oldtimers have it grandfathered, but as they have begun TRing it is slowly fading out of the game. Sorry.

[jmonty]

I need to find a +1 mettaline dagger of pg or something similar to post when they ask for DR busters :-)

or a great xbow

with the changes to the AH stuff like that is easy to find

[Ryu_109]

You don't need a DR breaker to complete shroud on normal. However, you will be doing 15 less damage per swing and you will therefore be contributing less DPS than another melee with a DR breaker. Will that wipe the raid? Probably not. Probably not unless all the melees in the group were of the "I don't need a DR breaker" mentality.

A DR breaker does not mean Min II. Holy/Silver, Metalline of PG, Metalline/flametouched can all bypass Harry's DR. While these weapons may be expensive on the AH for new players, there are ways to acquire them that should be accessible to everyone.

1) If you are low on funds your DR breaker does not have to be your weapon on choice. You are a TWF khopesh user? Well don't be afraid to use another weapon that has met/PG on it.

2) Don't use the AH. Try to purchase a DR breaker on your server's trade forum or borrow/purchase one from a guildy.

Also, as you have said OP, this was the first time you've been declined. How many shrouds have you run? People are generally not selective with normal shrouds and if you get declined once in a while for not having a DR breaker, just move on and join another group. Shroud is run 24/7 and chances are another group will accept you.



Some groups that ask for DR breakers do so because of the reason you stated. I know others who make these groups because they don't want to deal with people who are either ignorant of what breaks DR, or are new/incapabale/unwilling to acquire the necessary weapons to do so. Is that elitist? maybe. Is it fair? Probably not. But everyone plays this game for their own reasons. I would not taunt anyone with this kind of LFM up just as I would not taunt anyone with a Shroud LFM up with "reform" in it.

I kind of understand what your saying but will a +5 holy greataxe of Pure good that crits 19 - 20 do better then a 14 - 20 sos if the fighter is kensi for greatsword... thats is a serious question by the way not trying to be condescending

[k1ngp1n]

I wish I had a screenie, but I saw a Sarlona Shroud LFM up for 18-20 normal that said to read the levels. Apparently the leader could only complete this with toons at/over the raid level? I just LOL'ed and went about my business.

I remember that LFM. We were raving over it in guild vent. I was getting ready to break into a William Shatneresque 'Read! the levels.....' monologue but was never given the opportunity.

I'm saving that little monologue now for another day. Beware, Supremacy. Beware.

[mws2970]

12 level 20s should be able to complete with the Club of the Holy Flame as DPS weapons on normal at this point. I saw that same LFM. I tossed mine up after theirs and we were in part 3 while their LFM was still up.

Fixed that for ya! :P

[der_kluge]

As a healer, I never join a Shroud run that says "link beaters, plz".

I don't want to encourage that kind of garbage.