HP for Rangers

[squeaklie]

Hi Folks
I was running in a Shroud Raid crew yesterday and they were discussing their respective HPs, Im level 18 (16Rng/1Rog/1fight) and with all my +++ I have 350HP, some of these other folks had 900+ HP and they were level 17.
Now i appreciate that Barbs and Fighters etc.. have more HP than Rangers But THREE time more?

So my question is at my level and 19 & 20 what would the expectred HP level be for a Tempest Ranger?

also if it's significantly higher than my HP what am i doing wrong??

Thanks

[sjbb87]

My ranger(halfling) has 452 hp, I'm waiting to get better, because I have not used a tome +2 or +3

[stille_nacht]

ive never seen a barb with 900 hp o-O

[sjbb87]

ive never seen a barb with 900 hp o-O

dwarf barb....

[pSINNa]

My first ranger hit amrath with 300hp, it wasn't pretty :P.

He then took steps, first of all, make sure you have a Minos, that's 20hp, then make sure you have your argo favour up to get Draconic Vitality, that's 10hp.

Then make a greensteel hit point item (usually on the cape for a ranger, most times, epic slotting will change this though), there's another 45hp, when you get your tod ring, craft exceptional con+2 onto it (one of them anyway).

Make sure you have a greater false life item (the amrath belts are best, con+6+gfl on one slot), another 30hp there.

Make sure you have tougness as a feat, and max your racial toughness.

Always start with bare minimum con of 14, though 16 is much better, and where i usually start all of characters regardless of class (my wf wizard started with 20 con, he's TR though :P.)

Drop a rage pot when you're going to be in a big fight, stackable + to con for the pot duration.

Hey presto, your ranger is over 500hp, and if you have madstone boots, when they proc you'll get over 600 (my human ranger gets over 600 double madstoned).

All the above does not involve any epic grinding, and is all fairly normal to get a decent lvl 20 ranger built, it's a little work, but to be honest, a lot of improvement can be made to a character once it hits lvl 20, thats where the real gearing and development begin.

Coit out~

[Faent]

350 HP on a ranger is about the bare minimum you need (given that you have Evasion) for Normal Shroud. You shouldn't feel too uncomfortable running your 350 HP ranger in Normal Shroud if you know what you're doing. If it's a good group, you'll be fine. But you should try to boost that to 400 as soon as you can. See above for advice on how to do that. (And you shouldn't need any Greensteel to get to 400.)

If your ranger has 400 HP, and dies in a Normal Shroud run, and if you have Freedom of Movement, Poison Neutralization, and Fire Resistance up, along with some Disease Immunity item, then your death is probably not your fault.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

If your ranger has 400 HP, and dies in a Normal Shroud run, and if you have Freedom of Movement, Poison Neutralization, and Fire Resistance up, along with some Disease Immunity item, then your death is probably not your fault.

At 400 hp you have less HP than the rogue standing next to you against harry, and the rogue has improved evasion. If you die its because you couldn't stay alive between the mass heal timers and/or because you were always down to no hp before everyone else and the cleric/fvs got bored with spot healing you or tossing extra masses just because of you. It's your fault.

[Pwesiela]

ive never seen a barb with 900 hp o-O

My dwarf fighter has a standing hp of 799, without the 3 con tome needed to put him back on an even number...

Regardless, my ranger runs at lvl 20 at 450. I've never really wished to have much more, and it's far more than needed for a shroud on a ranger.

[Freeman]

If you are a dwarf or WF, then you should probably be aiming for around 500hp. Anything else would probably aim for around 450 except for elf/drow, which will have a lower base. That's unbuffed with gear. the 900hp numbers you were hearing were likely a raging barbarian fully buffed(Particularly at level 17), so I wouldn't worry too much about that.

Your HP are a little low, but we'd need to know your base Con, what gear you have, race, do you have Toughness, etc., before we can give specific advice.

[Pape_27]

Hi Folks
I was running in a Shroud Raid crew yesterday and they were discussing their respective HPs, Im level 18 (16Rng/1Rog/1fight) and with all my +++ I have 350HP, some of these other folks had 900+ HP and they were level 17.
Now i appreciate that Barbs and Fighters etc.. have more HP than Rangers But THREE time more?

So my question is at my level and 19 & 20 what would the expectred HP level be for a Tempest Ranger?

also if it's significantly higher than my HP what am i doing wrong??

Thanks

doesnt matter where a tempest should be - it matters where you are and how you cna possibly increase your hp. We need to know more - what is your build like, ie. con score, enhancements, feats, gear?

[kernal42]

350 hp is pretty low for a melee toon, but probably you have avenues available to increase this.

My dwarven tempest has ~520 standing, and typically close to 600 when buffed for combat (madstone rage is awesome). That's probably more than I need, but it's pretty often that I'm glad it's there.

Cheers,
Kernal

[squeaklie]

doesnt matter where a tempest should be - it matters where you are and how you cna possibly increase your hp. We need to know more - what is your build like, ie. con score, enhancements, feats, gear?

Im at work at present so dontk now all details but..

Human, Base Con 16, I followed Tihocans build for this, as it's my 1st toon, I have Minos and a +5 Con item but only a Flase Life item, not Greater FL.

I'll post more details later.

I'm also not familiar with some of the items mentioned, (e.g. Madstone boots and some others), 1st toon and 1st time on any MMORPG (= NOOB)

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Im at work at present so dontk now all details but..

Human, Base Con 16, I followed Tihocans build for this, as it's my 1st toon, I have Minos and a +5 Con item but only a Flase Life item, not Greater FL.

I'll post more details later.

I'm also not familiar with some of the items mentioned, (e.g. Madstone boots and some others), 1st toon and 1st time on any MMORPG (= NOOB)

Human is a solid choice, 16 is a good starting Con. You can definately get where you need to go

It can be tough equipping a first character. If you are in an established guild, ask for advice in guild chat, I bet some +6 con items and GFL items will magically appear for you.

Make sure you use one of your human stat enhancements for con, take the toughness feat, and max out your toughness enhancements.

Madstone boots are a not uncommon drop (although with my luck ) from the raid in Gianthold. Excellent melee item, it basically gives you a rage on a clickie that stacks with other types of rages, and can give you a second stackable rage when you are hit.

[pSINNa]

Im at work at present so dontk now all details but..

Human, Base Con 16, I followed Tihocans build for this, as it's my 1st toon, I have Minos and a +5 Con item but only a Flase Life item, not Greater FL.

I'll post more details later.

I'm also not familiar with some of the items mentioned, (e.g. Madstone boots and some others), 1st toon and 1st time on any MMORPG (= NOOB)

Just for interest sake (more may come of this though :P) what server are you on? Also, if that server happens to be ghallanda, pm me on the forums here with your character name (Coit has a soft spot for rangers that want to make their characters survivable :P).

Coit out~

[squeaklie]

Just for interest sake (more may come of this though :P) what server are you on? Also, if that server happens to be ghallanda, pm me on the forums here with your character name (Coit has a soft spot for rangers that want to make their characters survivable :P).

Coit out~

Thanks for the offer Coit but I'm on Sarlona

[pSINNa]

Thanks for the offer Coit but I'm on Sarlona

Well, i kinda hope that someone on sarlona with an fvs that solo's sins of attrition (which is just about every capped fvs ever rolled on that server i imagine) might sing out to you to pike a run or two standing inside the door, which will get you your con+6+gfl belt and solve 1/2 your problems in one hit (just remember, it's actually easier for everyone if you actually do just sit inside the door sneaked and pike it till it's finished :P - sounds weird i know, but you'll get to know the drill .

Just remember, he's on his first toon, it's built with 16 con, he's looking to improve his hit points,,,,, it doesn't get better then that people.

Coit out~ muahahaha.

[Bogenbroom]

Im at work at present so dontk now all details but..

Human, Base Con 16, I followed Tihocans build for this, as it's my 1st toon, I have Minos and a +5 Con item but only a Flase Life item, not Greater FL.

I'll post more details later.

I'm also not familiar with some of the items mentioned, (e.g. Madstone boots and some others), 1st toon and 1st time on any MMORPG (= NOOB)

Considering it is your first character, you aren't doing too badly. You can likely squeak some more con with +6 and a tome. Then some more with a gfl. Those are the basics. You should be able to get at least 30 to 50 there.

You can get quite a few via engagements as well.

The you can start worrying about your upper end gear to get more... But where you are for an untwinked character (28 pointer?) isn't awful. Remember, most folks have item collections to pass around there guys.

[grodon9999]

400 HP is plenty to survive shroud for an evasion toon.

[Faent]

400 Hp Is Plenty To Survive Shroud For An Evasion Toon.

Qft.

[phalaeo]

400 HP is plenty to survive shroud for an evasion toon.

400 HP is a comfortable minimum to survive shroud for an evasion toon.

FTFY.

IMO, 400 is a comfortable minimum for evasion toons- 425 is better and 450 better still. 375 on the low end will give you plenty of "Oh, ****!" moments.