Yet another loot thread.

[hets]

Reaver's run.

To simplify things, we get 2 named items in the chest. A Cloudburst and a Dreamspitter. Cloudburst up for roll.

Player A rolls for it. Player B rolls for it. Some other players roll for it as well. Player A ends up winning the Cloudburst.


Now.. Player B is the one who got the Dreamspitter. He tells to Player A that he'll trade his Dreamspitter for the Cloudburst, and Player A agrees.




I find what Player A did to be wrong and it annoyed me. I consider this to be as bad as proxy rolling. Is it me or is it just wrong to roll for loot that you're not going to use? I'm not even talking loot for your next TR life.

This is basically the same as me rolling for an item and then telling the ones who lost on their roll to bid for it, since I'm selling it to whomever pays the most.

[KingOfCheese]

That's the type of thing that might cause some to blacklist Player A.

Player B had the biggest loot foul though: giving up a Dreamspitter for a Cloudburst

[hets]

That's the type of thing that might cause some to blacklist Player A.

Player B had the biggest loot foul though: giving up a Dreamspitter for a Cloudburst

I'll admit it got to me more because I did want that Dreamspitter. >_> ..but it's still something I consider a 'don't' regarding loot.

[Xilraazz]

Player A got the better deal, Cloudburst is more common (at least in my 30 something reavers runs) and less sought after.
So, while Player A may have had plans to use Cloudburst, the option came up for him to get a Dreamspitter in trade so i can understand why he did it, even though it's kinda bad form.

[k1ngp1n]

I was hoping for drama. *Sigh* Don't care... moving on.

[lazyninja81]

Reaver's run.

To simplify things, we get 2 named items in the chest. A Cloudburst and a Dreamspitter. Cloudburst up for roll.

Player A rolls for it. Player B rolls for it. Some other players roll for it as well. Player A ends up winning the Cloudburst.

Now.. Player B is the one who got the Dreamspitter. He tells to Player A that he'll trade his Dreamspitter for the Cloudburst, and Player A agrees.

I find what Player A did to be wrong and it annoyed me. I consider this to be as bad as proxy rolling. Is it me or is it just wrong to roll for loot that you're not going to use? I'm not even talking loot for your next TR life.

This is basically the same as me rolling for an item and then telling the ones who lost on their roll to bid for it, since I'm selling it to whomever pays the most.

Simply playing the devil's advocate but could it be that player A was after both items, but wanted/needed the Dreamspitter more? In which case, player A would certainly use both items. That being said, I'm not familiar with either item so if there's a reason a person would never use both on the same toon, pls ignore comment.

[Waukeen]

dreamspitter is also BtA not BtC (until it is upgraded).

cant roll, win, then trade. poor form, and I bet that the original puller of the cloudburst would have jumped at that trade (assuming they knew the BtA thing)

[hets]

Simply playing the devil's advocate but could it be that player A was after both items, but wanted/needed the Dreamspitter more? In which case, player A would certainly use both items. That being said, I'm not familiar with either item so if there's a reason a person would never use both on the same toon, pls ignore comment.

Yes, I understand. I won't blacklist Player A or anything, but -if- we're ever on another raid and when I put an item for roll... he wins it, he's not having it. Different people have different loot rules, so it's understandable in one way.

I, personally, wouldn't roll on a second item if I already won one. Much like if I get one item that I want myself, I won't roll on another that's up. Then again that is how I roll (pun 100% intended) and can't expect everyone to follow the same unwritten/unspoken methods.

[Ryiah]

I find what Player A did to be wrong and it annoyed me. I consider this to be as bad as proxy rolling. Is it me or is it just wrong to roll for loot that you're not going to use? I'm not even talking loot for your next TR life.

Why are you annoyed? I doubt Player A was expecting someone to trade a Dreamspitter for his Cloudburst. Cloudburst, in most runs I've been in, has been put up for roll to people who have absolutely no use for it other than messing around because its honestly junk to most people. If it were Madstone Boots or similar, yes I could see that being annoying. But not a Cloudburst.

[bashemgud]

dreamspitter is also BtA not BtC (until it is upgraded).

cant roll, win, then trade. poor form, and I bet that the original puller of the cloudburst would have jumped at that trade (assuming they knew the BtA thing)

Wow. I just found out my dreamspitter is BtA.

Thanks ^^

[DasLurch]

Weak, but once he won, it's his to do with as he pleases. I agree it is not something that will win friends, but from the sounds of it, it doesn't seem like it was a plan or anything. I'd just try to look at it as if it was one of those far too frequent no loot drop runs.

[fartlord]

barb just outrolled 2 wiz's in vod for bracers of the glacier.....

feelin you're pain.

[Wraith_Sarevok]

Here's why the OP is just wrong.


The item, once it's in their hands, is THEIRS. They can do whatever they want with it. It's not yours. If they want to trade it away, they can. If they want to sell it, they can. If they want to delete it in front of you, they can. It's their property and you have 0 control over it.


Ever heard of this commandment?


Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife.


Same idea.

[Elation]

Here's why the OP is just wrong.


The item, once it's in their hands, is THEIRS. They can do whatever they want with it. It's not yours. If they want to trade it away, they can. If they want to sell it, they can. If they want to delete it in front of you, they can. It's their property and you have 0 control over it.


Ever heard of this commandment?


Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife.


Same idea.

uhm not the same idea and would earn an instant blacklist in my book he rolled for something he wasnt gonna keep means i dont run with them. PM name please

[Renvar]

I think it was questionable, but here's a possible scenario:

Player A really wants Cloudburst (who knows why...but whatever) and kinda wants Dreamspitter

Player B really wants Dreamspitter and kinda wants Cloudburst

Player C pulls Cloudburst

Player D pulls Dreamspitter

Player C announce Cloudburst up for roll quickly (Who wouldn't? Its vendor trash with a name tag)

Player D doesn't say anything yet. Maybe thinking about it. Maybe just waiting to announce till first rolling is done so that no rolls can be "switched".

Player A Rolls.

Player B Thinks, well, that dreamspitter's not gonna be up for roll, might as well try for cloudburst. Rolls. Wins.

Player C transfers Cloudburst.

Player D announces Dreamspitter for roll

Player A rolls for the conselation prize.

Player B thinks about it, but decides it is poor form to roll on a second item after already winning one item. Too greedy ( I know this because this is how I think. I would not roll on a second item after winning an item. Or if I pull an item and keep it, I would not roll on a second item that run. )

Player A wins.

Player A decides to check and see if Player B wants dreamspitter since he wants Cloudburst.

They agree and trade.

Both get what they wanted.

If there is a player E who rolled on both and lost and is ****ed. Tough. Maybe you will roll better next time.

If player D would have taken that trade, then Player D should have asked Player C or Player B ( after B won the roll) for the trade. If they don't ask, then it was their choice.

Maybe it's not as wrong as it appeared.

[blitzschlag]

barb just outrolled 2 wiz's in vod for bracers of the glacier.....

feelin you're pain.

its of the same value for a barb for different reason. 10% chance on fireshield cold version is killer on a guards barb that gets hit anyway...

[hets]

<snip> ...Maybe it's not as wrong as it appeared.

I know, I've given it some thought and the situation you described could apply where 'I kinda want one, but I want the other more'.

Then again, my 'problem' arises when I wouldn't roll on an item knowing there's another item I want more. Simply because if I won the item I want 'less' I'd feel bad about rolling again on the other item that I want 'more', hence winning two rolls.

This is probably just a rule that I have myself, just like I don't roll on items if I already got one on the chest.

Here's why the OP is just wrong.


The item, once it's in their hands, is THEIRS. They can do whatever they want with it. It's not yours. If they want to trade it away, they can. If they want to sell it, they can. If they want to delete it in front of you, they can. It's their property and you have 0 control over it.


Ever heard of this commandment?


Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife.


Same idea.

Here's why you're wrong.

Yes, they can do all that, but they shouldn't. It's common etiquette not to be a bad person and not just roll on any item because you want to vendor it and make 1k pp, or destroy it 'just because'.

If you get it on the chest yourself? Fine, do what you want, just don't roll on it to be mean and spiteful.



Ever heard of this?


Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.


Same idea.

[Harncw]

It is a grey issue IMHO...

Don't sweat it... its just reaver raid loot.

[jwdaniels]

Yes, I understand. I won't blacklist Player A or anything, but -if- we're ever on another raid and when I put an item for roll... he wins it, he's not having it.

This would clearly be pre-meditated, though, and in my opinion way more ******y than what Player A did.

[hets]

This would clearly be pre-meditated, though, and in my opinion way more ******y than what Player A did.

I agree. After the heat is over, I guess I can understand what Player A did, even though I wouldn't do it myself. It's MUCH less ****y than something pre-meditated and I want to believe Player A did not have ill intentions.

It is a grey issue IMHO...

Don't sweat it... its just reaver raid loot.

Yeah, I know. On the other hand it's easier for old players to say that because you've been playing for much longer so loot is less meaningful to you guys, but for new people who don't have every piece of raid loot..we mourn our losses on every lost roll!

You're on your 200th completion, we're on our 15th. :<


Anyway, thanks for the replies. Have fun with festivult and merry christmas to y'all. Hope the loot Gods bless us all and may we all get our Dreamspitters.