Need some suggestions for a possible Half-Orc Fighter build

[Ziindarax]

I didnt read through it, but with umd as a non class skill heres what you will need.

11 ranks (max unless you splash a umd class)
6 cha mod (12 start 2 tome 6 item 2 exceptional You can boost it more but it requires more grind)
3 golden cart from deleras
6 shroud item
2 luck
4 greater herosism.


That gets you to 32 buffed. You can take skill focus for +3 to get to 35. At that point you can get the gloves from titan for another +2 (+5 but 3 dont stack with deleras necklace). Thats 37. You need 4 more cha points to get to 39. You can do 1 more exceptional, 2 more from a +4 tome, and 1 more from a +7 item. That will get you no fail heals self buffed and no ship buffs. BUT thats a LOT of grind.

Hmm.. I have 13 ranks into UMD with this current build...


Edit #2: It seems I have spoken in ignorance. My inability to raise UMD by more than one increment stems from my trying to take Rogue levels toward the beginning. Toward end-game however... I was able to boost it to at least 21.

Here is a slightly altered build (it's more a modification of the Blitz build, than a modification of the Doom Wolf build, but I digress). Also note, that at level twenty, I replaced Barbarian Power attack 2 with Rogue speed boost and sneak attack training. There is a catch though; by taking two levels of rogue to boost UMD (enough to use no-fail heal scrolls with enchantment bonuses, exceptional bonuses, and what not), I sacrifice 12 hit points (which isn't really that big a deal) and take a hit to my BAB (which may only be factoring my class levels rather than my strength bonus (unless 29/29 is the total with strength, but even then, this is not that big of a deal because the Rage, surge, and madstone boosts more than makes up for it. This is not even considering Greater Heroism, bless, prayer, recitation, and other attack bonus buffs).

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Doom Wolf 
Level 20 Neutral Good Half-Orc Male 
(12 Fighter / 6 Barbarian / 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 450 
Spell Points: 0 

BAB: 19/19/24/29/29 
Fortitude: 18 
Reflex: 12 
Will: 5 

              Starting    Feat/Enhancement 
Abilities    Base Stats    Modified Stats 
(34 Point)    (Level 1)      (Level 20) 
Strength           18                26 
Dexterity          15                17 
Constitution       16                21 
Intelligence        6                 6 
Wisdom              8                 8 
Charisma           12                14 

Tomes Used 
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3 
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3 
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3 
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3 
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 
 
              Starting      Feat/Enhancement 
             Base Skills  Modified Skills 
Skills       (Level 1)      (Level 20) 
Balance            2              3 
Bluff              1              4 
Concentration      3              7 
Diplomacy          1              4 
Disable Device     n/a            n/a 
Haggle             1              2 
Heal               -1             -1 
Hide               2              3 
Intimidate         1              11 
Jump               4              11 
Listen             -1             -1 
Move Silently      2              3 
Open Lock          n/a            n/a 
Perform            n/a            n/a 
Repair             -2             -2 
Search             -2             -2 
Spot               -1             -1 
Swim               4              8 
Tumble             n/a            n/a 
Use Magic Device   3              21 
 
Level 1 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin 
Feat: (Selected) Toughness 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting 
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I 
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I 
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I 
 
Level 2 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh 
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Trip) I 
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I 
 
Level 3 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting 
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost I 
Enhancement: Orcish Fury I 
Enhancement: Orcish Strength I 
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I 
 
Level 4 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons 
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II 
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II 
 
Level 5 (Fighter) 
Enhancement: Orcish Brute Fighting I 
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II 
 
Level 6 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow 
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons 
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I 
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I 
 
Level 7 (Fighter) 
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost II 
Enhancement: Racial Toughnness II 
 
Level 8 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting 
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III 
 
Level 9 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons 
Enhancement: Orcish Strength II 
 
Level 10 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack 
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack I 
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II 
 
Level 11 (Fighter) 
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III 
Enhancement: Orcish Brute Fighting II 
 
Level 12 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons 
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II 
Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization I 
 
Level 13 (Barbarian) 
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I 
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery II 
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost III 
 
Level 14 (Barbarian) 
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I 
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I 
 
Level 15 (Barbarian) 
Feat: (Selected) Toughness 
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I 
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I 
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I 
Enhancement: Orcish Power Rage I 
 
Level 16 (Barbarian) 
Enhancement: Barbarian Willpower I 
 
Level 17 (Barbarian) 
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II 
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV 
 
Level 18 (Barbarian) 
Feat: (Selected) Toughness 
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II 
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage II 
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II 
 
Level 19 (Rogue) 
Enhancement: Orcish Power Rage II 
 
Level 20 (Rogue) 
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I 
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I 
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution II

[unbongwah]

Why did you put 6 pts into CHA rather than INT?

12 vs 6 CHA gets you +3 UMD and Intim - and it looks like you don't even care about Intim.

12 vs 6 INT gets you 69 extra skill pts by lvl 20. That's more than enough to have max ranks in UMD & Intim, plus 1 or 2 other skills. And you can either take rogue 2 a lot sooner to get Evasion or drop it for barb 7 or ftr 13 for...whatever that gives you.

Just trying to figure out which of us is missing the point of your build...

[Ziindarax]

Why did you put 6 pts into CHA rather than INT?

12 vs 6 CHA gets you +3 UMD and Intim - and it looks like you don't even care about Intim.

12 vs 6 INT gets you 69 extra skill pts by lvl 20. That's more than enough to have max ranks in UMD & Intim, plus 1 or 2 other skills. And you can either take rogue 2 a lot sooner to get Evasion or drop it for barb 7 or ftr 13 for...whatever that gives you.

Just trying to figure out which of us is missing the point of your build...

I boosted Charisma rather than INT because at the time, I was worried about suffering penalties to UMD, and Charisma 6 items would boost it to 18 Charisma. Should I dumpstat Charisma and take Intelligence instead, or boost the two equally?

Oh, and I looked into my character bank and found that I had +1 and +2 Int Tomes, and only a +1 Charisma tome. So maybe I could boost my Intelligence to twelve, and leave charisma as it is, and use Charisma items to remove the penalty. Will this work for maxing and getting a good use out of UMD?

One other thing, after having "Doom Wolf" being laughed at by half the Orien server (lol), I will be changing the name of my planned build into Dread Guard.

[Ziindarax]

Alright, here is a slight modification; I've taken some points out of charisma to put into intelligence so that things balance out evenly at 10 (+2 tome makes INT twelve):

I sacrifice a third Toughness feat for Skill focus: UMD, and as a result, my UMD total (unbuffed) sits at 26. So... 29 UMD with a +6 Charisma item (not sure where the +6 shroud item thing is coming from, what enchantment gives +6, and stacks with a +6/+7 charisma item?). Exceptional Charisma +1 and +2 from ToD ring stack so that's another 3... leaving me with 33 UMD. +2 luck item takes it up to 35, and Greater Heroism takes me to 39. Now here is the issue that I see. How does the Shroud enchantment's exceptional Charisma Skills buffs stack with the Exceptional Charisma from the Band of Siberys, which gives a +1 Exceptional charisma (and the +2 from unlocking it), at most, wouldn't it only increase by 3?

But if it does stack totally with ToD rings, then Awesome, as that would mean I would not even need Greater Heroism to hit the golden zone. But I am in limbo as to whether it does stack completely with exceptional charisma tod rings.

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Doom Wolf 
Level 20 Neutral Good Half-Orc Male 
(12 Fighter / 6 Barbarian / 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 428 
Spell Points: 0 

BAB: 19/19/24/29/29 
Fortitude: 18 
Reflex: 12 
Will: 5 

              Starting    Feat/Enhancement 
Abilities    Base Stats    Modified Stats 
(34 Point)    (Level 1)      (Level 20) 
Strength           18                26 
Dexterity          15                17 
Constitution       16                21 
Intelligence       10                10 
Wisdom              8                 8 
Charisma            8                10 

Tomes Used 
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3 
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3 
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3 
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3 
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 
 
              Starting      Feat/Enhancement 
             Base Skills  Modified Skills 
Skills       (Level 1)      (Level 20) 
Balance            3              12.5 
Bluff              -1             2 
Concentration      3              7 
Diplomacy          -1             2 
Disable Device     n/a            n/a 
Haggle             -1             0 
Heal               -1             -1 
Hide               2              3 
Intimidate         1              12 
Jump               4              16 
Listen             -1             -1 
Move Silently      2              3 
Open Lock          n/a            n/a 
Perform            n/a            n/a 
Repair             0              0 
Search             0              0 
Spot               -1             -1 
Swim               4              8 
Tumble             n/a            n/a 
Use Magic Device   1              26 
 
Level 1 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin 
Feat: (Selected) Toughness 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting 
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I 
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I 
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I 
 
Level 2 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh 
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Trip) I 
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I 
 
Level 3 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting 
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost I 
Enhancement: Orcish Fury I 
Enhancement: Orcish Strength I 
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I 
 
Level 4 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons 
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II 
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II 
 
Level 5 (Fighter) 
Enhancement: Orcish Brute Fighting I 
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II 
 
Level 6 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow 
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons 
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I 
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I 
 
Level 7 (Fighter) 
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost II 
Enhancement: Racial Toughhness II 
 
Level 8 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting 
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III 
 
Level 9 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons 
Enhancement: Orcish Strength II 
 
Level 10 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack 
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack I 
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II 
 
Level 11 (Fighter) 
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III 
Enhancement: Orcish Brute Fighting II 
 
Level 12 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons 
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II 
Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization I 
 
Level 13 (Barbarian) 
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I 
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery II 
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost III 
 
Level 14 (Barbarian) 
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I 
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I 
 
Level 15 (Barbarian) 
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device 
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I 
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I 
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I 
Enhancement: Orcish Power Rage I 
 
Level 16 (Barbarian) 
Enhancement: Barbarian Willpower I 
 
Level 17 (Barbarian) 
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II 
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV 
 
Level 18 (Barbarian) 
Feat: (Selected) Toughness 
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II 
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage II 
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II 
 
Level 19 (Rogue) 
Enhancement: Orcish Power Rage II 
 
Level 20 (Rogue) 
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II 
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution II

[hooblaboo]

You should take lvl 1 as rogue, so that UMD is treated as a class skill, thus allowing you to max it out by increasing it +1 during your fighter and barbarian levels (2 x 0.5 = 1).

[Ziindarax]

You should take lvl 1 as rogue, so that UMD is treated as a class skill, thus allowing you to max it out by increasing it +1 during your fighter and barbarian levels (2 x 0.5 = 1).

DDO does not work like the single-player games and PnP; as soon as you switch away from Rogue/Bard into another class, UMD is no longer treated as a class skill (as indicated in my previous post, I tried this using a free character slot to see if it would work - unfortunately, it does not). By taking the Rogue levels first, I was able to get my UMD up to 26 without sacrificing a third toughness feat since I took Skill focus: UMD sooner... However, my HP is worse off despite this. :/

Here is the new build (hoping I didn't deviate from my original build too much as I re-created it from scratch). The only thing I appeared to have improved is my ability to utilize rogue back-stab and some rogue abilities sooner than end-game at the expense of HP.. unless I really messed something up at some point. >.>

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Dread Guard  
Level 20 Chaotic Good Half-Orc Male 
(12 Fighter / 6 Barbarian / 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 420 
Spell Points: 0 

BAB: 19/19/24/29/29 
Fortitude: 17 
Reflex: 12 
Will: 5 

              Starting      Ending     Feat/Enhancement 
Abilities    Base Stats   Base Stats    Modified Stats 
(34 Point)    (Level 1)    (Level 20)      (Level 20) 
Strength           18             22                26 
Dexterity          15             17                17 
Constitution       16             17                19 
Intelligence       10             10                10 
Wisdom              8              8                 8 
Charisma            8             10                10 

Tomes Used 
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8 
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 17 
 
              Starting      Feat/Enhancement 
             Base Skills  Modified Skills 
Skills       (Level 1)      (Level 20) 
Balance            6              14 
Bluff              -1             2 
Concentration      3              6 
Diplomacy          -1             2 
Disable Device     4              5 
Haggle             3              5 
Heal               -1             -1 
Hide               2              3 
Intimidate         3              7 
Jump               8              13 
Listen             -1             -1 
Move Silently      2              3 
Open Lock          6              8 
Perform            n/a            n/a 
Repair             0              0 
Search             0              0 
Spot               3              4 
Swim               4              8 
Tumble             n/a            n/a 
Use Magic Device   3              26 
 
Level 1 (Rogue) 
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin 
Feat: (Selected) Toughness 
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I 
Enhancement: Orcish Fury I 
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I 
 
Level 2 (Rogue) 
Enhancement: Orcish Brute Fighting I 
 
Level 3 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh 
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting 
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I 
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I 
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost I 
Enhancement: Orcish Strength I 
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I 
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I 
 
Level 4 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting 
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Trip) I 
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I 
 
Level 5 (Fighter) 
Enhancement: Orcish Fury II 
 
Level 6 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons 
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II 
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II 
Enhancement: Orcish Brute Fighting II 
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II 
 
Level 7 (Fighter) 
 
Level 8 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack 
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I 
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I 
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost II 
 
Level 9 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting 
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II 
 
Level 10 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons 
Enhancement: Orcish Strength II 
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III 
 
Level 11 (Fighter) 
Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization I 
 
Level 12 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting 
Feat: (Selected) Toughness 
Enhancement: Orcish Extra Action Boost III 
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II 
 
Level 13 (Fighter) 
 
Level 14 (Fighter) 
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons 
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery II 
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II 
Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack I 
 
Level 15 (Barbarian) 
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device 
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I 
 
Level 16 (Barbarian) 
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I 
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I 
Enhancement: Orcish Power Rage I 
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I 
 
Level 17 (Barbarian) 
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I 
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I 
 
Level 18 (Barbarian) 
Feat: (Selected) Toughness 
Enhancement: Barbarian Willpower I 
 
Level 19 (Barbarian) 
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III 
 
Level 20 (Barbarian) 
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II 
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II 
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage II 
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II 
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Trip) II 
Enhancement: Orcish Power Rage II 
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution II