Tested new Icestorm and Critical Mod

[Legendary_Agent]

I honestly have no idea how you could have read my post and gleaned this as a summary.

well i cant believe ure still trying to say sorc are the same as wizards and they both rely on the same builds

[gurgar78]

That's only true against infinite hp mobs. For example, against a 10 hp kobold, the wizard's and the sorc's dbf are both equally efficient. This is more significant for spells like firewall (and, soon, ice storm) whose durations tend to outlive the targets. In that case, wizards and sorcs have the same damage/sp ratio.

The point I was trying to get across wasn't that wizards and sorcerers have the same efficiency (They don't - once a sorc gets their capstone, their spells are more efficient). The point I was trying to make is this that comparing spell to spell, if a spell is more efficient for a wizard, it is also more efficient for a sorcerer.

For instance, if a wizard's DBF does 600 damage for 90 mana and WoF does 2500 damage for 85 mana, then, all other things being equal, the sorc's DBF will do 720 damage for 90 mana and WoF will do 3000 damage for 85 mana.

The sorc is more efficient than the wiz, but in both cases, Wall of Fire is far more efficient than DBF.

The entire statement was basically just a counter to his telling me I didn't know what I was talking about because I played a wizard rather than a sorcerer.

[gurgar78]

well i cant believe ure still trying to say sorc are the same as wizards and they both rely on the same builds

I haven't said that at any point. I've said only that a spell by spell comparison between the two of them will yield the same results, so that in the matter of spell efficiency, experience on a wizard translates rather well to a sorcerer.

I get the impression that there might be something of a language barrier which is muddying the waters between us.

[Legendary_Agent]

I haven't said that at any point. I've said only that a spell by spell comparison between the two of them will yield the same results, so that in the matter of spell efficiency, experience on a wizard translates rather well to a sorcerer.

I get the impression that there might be something of a language barrier which is muddying the waters between us.

yeah its called the language of playing a sorc.

[kernal42]

The point I was trying to get across wasn't that wizards and sorcerers have the same efficiency (They don't - once a sorc gets their capstone, their spells are more efficient). The point I was trying to make is this that comparing spell to spell, if a spell is more efficient for a wizard, it is also more efficient for a sorcerer.

For instance, if a wizard's DBF does 600 damage for 90 mana and WoF does 2500 damage for 85 mana, then, all other things being equal, the sorc's DBF will do 720 damage for 90 mana and WoF will do 3000 damage for 85 mana.

The sorc is more efficient than the wiz, but in both cases, Wall of Fire is far more efficient than DBF.

The entire statement was basically just a counter to his telling me I didn't know what I was talking about because I played a wizard rather than a sorcerer.

This is still not entirely true. For example, there are enemies who would die to one capped-sorc dbf, but would be left with a sliver of health after a capped-wiz dbf. In these cases, the firewall is more efficient for the wizard, but not more efficient for the sorc.

In general, of course, I would agree.

ice storm barelly outlives a pack of devils and orthons in vale SOLO.

Live or Lammania? Kiting or shield-blocking? Considering the damage output (on Lam) of ice storm compared to firewall, I doubt that there's much sub-epic that would survive the full damage of a properly-boosted ice storm. I haven't installed the Lam client, though, so I can't say for sure.

yeah its called the language of playing a sorc.

It sounds more like you're assuming all sorcs play the way you do, which would be a bad assumption.

Cheers,
Kernal

[Legendary_Agent]

This is still not entirely true. For example, there are enemies who would die to one capped-sorc dbf, but would be left with a sliver of health after a capped-wiz dbf. In these cases, the firewall is more efficient for the wizard, but not more efficient for the sorc.

In general, of course, I would agree.



Live or Lammania? Kiting or shield-blocking? Considering the damage output (on Lam) of ice storm compared to firewall, I doubt that there's much sub-epic that would survive the full damage of a properly-boosted ice storm. I haven't installed the Lam client, though, so I can't say for sure.



It sounds more like you're assuming all sorcs play the way you do, which would be a bad assumption.

Cheers,
Kernal

Nope, it sounds that sorc in general is not equal to wizard just because it has the same spell list, infact thats the only thing they do have in common.

Sorc playstyle can be easelly compared with a cleric vs a fvs.

Hence why this nerf will affect more sorc than wizards. Btw does anyone here know when is the new prestige enhacements comin for sorc? been waiting quite a bit for them as wizards are dominating the PVE these days.

[bradleyforrest]

Nope, it sounds that sorc in general is not equal to wizard just because it has the same spell list, infact thats the only thing they do have in common.

Sorc playstyle can be easelly compared with a cleric vs a fvs.

Hence why this nerf will affect more sorc than wizards. Btw does anyone here know when is the new prestige enhacements comin for sorc? been waiting quite a bit for them as wizards are dominating the PVE these days.

Slotted for U9, per Eladrin

[Cartheron]

Live or Lammania? Kiting or shield-blocking? Considering the damage output (on Lam) of ice storm compared to firewall, I doubt that there's much sub-epic that would survive the full damage of a properly-boosted ice storm. I haven't installed the Lam client, though, so I can't say for sure.


Cheers,
Kernal

On Lamannia maxed, emped sup IV freezed ice storm kills in 1 cast devils in Bastion of Power normal (no kitting, just standing inside area of effect). My results may be a little biased because I have PM, so they get additional dmg form aura and me spamming necrotic blast, but 20% higher base damage for sorc probably compensate that.

I don't believe that anything in Vale can survive ice storm from a capped sorc.

Ice storm even in current failstorm form is usefull. Making it more powerful could broke the game. Shame that my nice insta crits had to suffer because of that, but I can live with that

[Legendary_Agent]

On Lamannia maxed, emped sup IV freezed ice storm kills in 1 cast devils in Bastion of Power normal (no kitting, just standing inside area of effect). My results may be a little biased because I have PM, so they get additional dmg form aura and me spamming necrotic blast, but 20% higher base damage for sorc probably compensate that.

I don't believe that anything in Vale can survive ice storm from a capped sorc.

Ice storm even in current failstorm form is usefull. Making it more powerful could broke the game. Shame that my nice insta crits had to suffer because of that, but I can live with that

thats weird, did u apply maximize to it or something?

[Cartheron]

Nope, it sounds that sorc in general is not equal to wizard just because it has the same spell list, infact thats the only thing they do have in common.

Sorc playstyle can be easelly compared with a cleric vs a fvs.

Those 2 sentences are plain wrong. Sorcs are very similar to wizards, different feel of play but same posibilities (more or less).

Differences between cleric and fvs are completly different than between wiz and sorc, only similar thing is mana pool, and even here things are different - almost no fvs max cha, alot of clerics max wis, this is making a gap smaller.

[Legendary_Agent]

Slotted for U9, per Eladrin

ty for reply m8, average do u think itll take less than 4 months for that update to go live?

[Cartheron]

thats weird, did u apply maximize to it or something?

Of course I apply maximize to it. I almost never turn off that feat since level 7. I apply empower too. And use superior freeze IV pot. Using persistent aoe without max, emp and superior pot/clickie is a waste of sp for me, especially in higher (or elite) content, things have to die fast or they will cause unnecessary problems.

[Legendary_Agent]

Of course I apply maximize to it. I almost never turn off that feat since level 7. I apply empower too. And use superior freeze IV pot. Using persistent aoe without max, emp and superior pot/clickie is a waste of sp for me, especially in higher (or elite) content, things have to die fast or they will cause unnecessary problems.

yeah same here, however when i did the test i didnt use maximize, still try it in vale and see what u think of the spell, i wasnt impressed.

[Cartheron]

yeah same here, however when i did the test i didnt use maximize, still try it in vale and see what u think of the spell, i wasnt impressed.

Went into Vale, agroed bunch of stuff (devils), casted ice storm (max and pot only), everything died in few ticks. It's not so bad

[Legendary_Agent]

Went into Vale, agroed bunch of stuff (devils), casted ice storm (max and pot only), everything died in few ticks. It's not so bad

took around 14 seconds for me, how much dmg do u get on bludeoning part per tick?

[Cartheron]

25-70, 80-180 on crits.

[Legendary_Agent]

25-70, 80-180 on crits.

yes sounds about right, it barelly kills the entire group before it runs out tough. devils and orthons mainly.

while it only takes me 2 insta aoe spells to kill them all, if its not a critical that is, thats why its not worth it for sorc, at least for me and my guildies which have sorcs.

[AylinIsAwesome]

ty for reply m8, average do u think itll take less than 4 months for that update to go live?

Turbine has been trying to get a new update out about once every two months.

Thus, we should probably see it by the end of February.

[Legendary_Agent]

Turbine has been trying to get a new update out about once every two months.

Thus, we should probably see it by the end of February.

thx for the info, it would be amazing if we could get it that soon

[AylinIsAwesome]

thx for the info, it would be amazing if we could get it that soon

You're welcome. I just hope my FvS PrEs come out that soon too.