Updated Max Int, SP, Spell Pen & DCs thread

[paraplegic]

when this get updated?

[sephiroth1084]

when this get updated?

I don't know if you noticed, but we got a ton of new stuff about a month ago, and I've had things to do besides trying to interpret and collate all of that new information. The fact that the wiki is not properly updated (especially in the case of 2nd and 3rd ranks of Epic Destiny abilities) makes it more difficult to simply look at the info and update the thread.

If you, or anyone else, wants to start giving me data here, I'll update it.

Right now, I'm looking at potentially +6 Int from Magister, Draconic Incarnation or Shadowdancer, +3 from twists, +2 from 2 epic feats spent on Greater Int, +1 from a +8 item vs. a +7, +1 from a +3 Insight item vs. a +2, +1 level-up at 24 for +14 Int over what is currently listed. Am I missing anything?

As for DCs, we have the increased Int, but have to reduce that a bit to fit in Epic Spell Focus, can get +3 to any school from Magister, +3 to Evocation from DI, +1 from a Major Necro Focus item (what other schools gained a bump from Greater Focus being the highest to now having a Major available?), so potentially +5 to Necro DCs in addition to the Int increase? +8 to Evocation?

Spell points? I'm not even going to start guessing there right now.

Spell pen...+3 magister, +3 DI, +6 from Arcane ED levels, +4 Epic Spell Pen feat...that's +16 from what he have currently?

C'mon folks, add to this info please, and clean it up so I can update this thing.

[ZeebaNeighba]

Right now, I'm looking at potentially +6 Int from Magister, Draconic Incarnation or Shadowdancer, +3 from twists, +2 from 2 epic feats spent on Greater Int, +1 from a +8 item vs. a +7, +1 from a +3 Insight item vs. a +2, +1 level-up at 24 for +14 Int over what is currently listed. Am I missing anything?

As for DCs, we have the increased Int, but have to reduce that a bit to fit in Epic Spell Focus, can get +3 to any school from Magister, +3 to Evocation from DI, +1 from a Major Necro Focus item (what other schools gained a bump from Greater Focus being the highest to now having a Major available?), so potentially +5 to Necro DCs in addition to the Int increase? +8 to Evocation?

Spell points? I'm not even going to start guessing there right now.

Spell pen...+3 magister, +3 DI, +6 from Arcane ED levels, +4 Epic Spell Pen feat...that's +16 from what he have currently?

C'mon folks, add to this info please, and clean it up so I can update this thing.

There's inspire excellence. Fatesinger has stances based on other destinies, like one that gives +1 int, +2 Spell Pen and +25 SP and a couple other things, and they are low enough tier to be twisted in. Magister's tier 6 autogrant is +5 to DC's for 20 seconds with a 4 minute cooldown. Magister also has a tier 5 ability to increase caster level (and max CL) for a certain school by 3. I sure haven't covered everything but it's a start.

[sephiroth1084]

There's inspire excellence. Fatesinger has stances based on other destinies, like one that gives +1 int, +2 Spell Pen and +25 SP and a couple other things, and they are low enough tier to be twisted in. Magister's tier 6 autogrant is +5 to DC's for 20 seconds with a 4 minute cooldown. Magister also has a tier 5 ability to increase caster level (and max CL) for a certain school by 5. I sure haven't covered everything but it's a start.

That info looks indefinite. Can you concrete that up a bit?
Pretty sure the tier 5 Magister ability, for example, is +3 CL in a school, not 5.
What does Inspire Excellence stack with? Fairly certain it isn't everything.
Are the Fatesinger stances stacking with everything?

[ZeebaNeighba]

That info looks indefinite. Can you concrete that up a bit?
Pretty sure the tier 5 Magister ability, for example, is +3 CL in a school, not 5.
What does Inspire Excellence stack with? Fairly certain it isn't everything.
Are the Fatesinger stances stacking with everything?

Sorry typo'd on the Magister ability, yes it is +3. Also I'm fairly certain Inspire Excellence is a competence bonus, as is +1 exceptional, but I don't know for sure if those are the only competence bonuses to intelligence (or any of the other 5 abilities), they are just the only ones I can think of. And I don't know what type the fatesinger stances are, the descriptions just say something like "grants +1 intelligence" but I TR'd my bard a couple days ago so I can't test it. It just looks like a typeless bonus from the description so it should stack with everything...but then again, I can't say that about ship buffs now can I

I was a bit rushed on my earlier post and just threw in everything I could think of in a minute So I'll be fine with clarifying anything, if I can.

[ZeebaNeighba]

Ah I forgot, reincarnate, +2 racial bonus to 1-2 random stats, but remember if you die, you lose ship buffs. There may be a workaround, like dying then getting ship buffs tho.

[dTarkanan]

The staff from the raid has major enchantment+major evocation focus on it as well. Anyone know twisting in the DC boost from DI stacks with Magister DC boost or visca versa?

[Lycurgus]

The tier 2 twist from DI is +2 to either evocation or conjuration, not just evocation.

[Bilger]

Sorry typo'd on the Magister ability, yes it is +3. Also I'm fairly certain Inspire Excellence is a competence bonus, as is +1 exceptional, but I don't know for sure if those are the only competence bonuses to intelligence (or any of the other 5 abilities), they are just the only ones I can think of. And I don't know what type the fatesinger stances are, the descriptions just say something like "grants +1 intelligence" but I TR'd my bard a couple days ago so I can't test it. It just looks like a typeless bonus from the description so it should stack with everything...but then again, I can't say that about ship buffs now can I

I was a bit rushed on my earlier post and just threw in everything I could think of in a minute So I'll be fine with clarifying anything, if I can.

Bards excellence song does not stack with the +1 exceptionals(same bonus) so if have +1 exceptional only get +3 from song. It is a fact have a bard with it.

The LVL 5 max magister lvl ability grants a 20 second +5 to all dc's boost.

+8 items are out there also.

One question I do have and figure they don't stack is the +2 and +3 insightful bonuses, being same type of bonuses haven't received any new insightful +3 items to test yet. Figure they don't though.

[threefeetunder]

Bards excellence song does not stack with the +1 exceptionals(same bonus) so if have +1 exceptional only get +3 from song. It is a fact have a bard with it.

The LVL 5 max magister lvl ability grants a 20 second +5 to all dc's boost.

+8 items are out there also.

One question I do have and figure they don't stack is the +2 and +3 insightful bonuses, being same type of bonuses haven't received any new insightful +3 items to test yet. Figure they don't though.

The +2 and +3 don't stack.

[ZeebaNeighba]

Bards excellence song does not stack with the +1 exceptionals(same bonus) so if have +1 exceptional only get +3 from song. It is a fact have a bard with it.

One question I do have and figure they don't stack is the +2 and +3 insightful bonuses, being same type of bonuses haven't received any new insightful +3 items to test yet. Figure they don't though.

I think in 14.2 they will stack (the exceptional bonus is going back to true exceptional, so it will also stack with the Stalwart stance) but I can't confirm it, and 14.2 isn't even out...

Insight bonuses don't stack. At least not insight bonuses for other things (like armor class).

[sephiroth1084]

I think in 14.2 they will stack (the exceptional bonus is going back to true exceptional, so it will also stack with the Stalwart stance) but I can't confirm it, and 14.2 isn't even out...

According to what?

[K_0tiC]

71int no bard song(so +3 more possible) surging to 65dc necro(possible 68dc 2from int song 1 from spell song)

18base
+6level ups
+3enhcancements
+1 human
+4tome
+2ship
+2yugo
+1litany
+3insight robes
+8int goggles
+1comptance (slotted on torc)
+2lich
+2capstone
+6 wizard destiny
+2 int twisted from shadow dancer tier1 and sorcerer tier1
+1 int twisted bard stance
62int normally running around with just yugo pot

Screenshot mode
+3house d pot
+4 abishi cookies
+2 free store pot to all abilities from egg turn in
71

bard +4 competance song (doesnt stack with 1 comp on torc)
74int max

Dont think I missed anything feel free to add if so?



Spell Pen 58 necro 55 everything else, could be 58/61 with possible +3 from sorc twist at the cost of 1dc
So max is 58/61

Spell pen breakdown

20 levels
+3 enhancements
+9 pastlife wiz x3 fvs x3
+8feats spell pen+greater spell pen+epic spell pen
+5magister
+3piercing magister tree
+2 bard stance
+3 greater spell pen 9 item
+2 arcane augmentation
+3 choosen school only
58

+3sorc twisted piercing (cost 1dc from ueven int without +5 tomes/drow -1feat -base con/toughness enh)
58
61 choosen school only


+4 elf (Also loses 1dc from -1int under human, 1 feat and -base con)
62
65 choosen school only

So human/drow is best dc and elf best spell pen at the moment. Wf same dc as elf lower spell pen by 4 and more con/hp.

[ZeebaNeighba]

According to what?

According to people I've heard talking about it. Wait until patch 2 and we'll see. I do remember in lammania people were saying it was a bug, but that might have been changed to WAI.

[ZeebaNeighba]

Exceptional +1 bonuses to ability scores once again stack with the Stalwart Defender's defensive stance.

SD's stance is a competence bonus, so if it stacks with that, it stacks with Inspire Excellence.

[Ellihor]

71int no bard song(so +3 more possible) surging to 65dc necro(possible 68dc 2from int song 1 from spell song)

18base
+6level ups
+3enhcancements
+1 human
+4tome
+2ship
+2yugo
+1litany
+3insight robes
+8int goggles
+1comptance (slotted on torc)
+2lich
+2capstone
+6 wizard destiny
+2 int twisted from shadow dancer tier1 and sorcerer tier1
+1 int twisted bard stance
62int normally running around with just yugo pot

Screenshot mode
+3house d pot
+4 abishi cookies
+2 free store pot to all abilities from egg turn in
71

bard +4 competance song (doesnt stack with 1 comp on torc)
74int max

Dont think I missed anything feel free to add if so?

Missing +2 completionist. Nice breakdown, im about to do the same, only dont uderstand how you can use greater spell pen 9, arcane augmentation 9 and major necro the same time (unless there are major necro focus + GSpell pen 9 random loot, need to confirm).

[MRMechMan]

Think the bardsong was changed to +2 all stats instead of +4 individual stats per song?

[Tid12]

Think the bardsong was changed to +2 all stats instead of +4 individual stats per song?

Yes it was.

[sephiroth1084]

Haven't logged into the game since September.

If people want to list anything new to be added here, with at least 1 person corroborating that these things stack with whatever is already accounted for in the OP, I'll update this thread to keep it as a running resource, but I just do not have the inclination to go doing the research for that when I'm not actually playing the game.

[Trillea]

18base
+7 level ups
+4 wiz enhancements
+1 human
+5 tome
+2 ship
+2 yugo
+1 litany - profane
+3 insight
+11 int gloves
+4 lich w/improved shroud
+2 capstone
+6 wizard destiny
+2 int twisted from shadow dancer tier1 and sorcerer tier1
+1 int twisted bard stance
+3 epic feats (21, 24, 27)
72 int normally running around with just yugo pot

Screenshot mode
+3 house d pot
+3 abishai cookies (already have 1 profane)
+2 store pot to all abilities
+2 bard song
+4 royalty (+10 from shiradi destiny joy of the queen, can't have the 6 INT from ED though)
86

I believe this is the max available ingame to a non-drow right now but I would like to know if I missed anything.