Updated Max Int, SP, Spell Pen & DCs thread

[wax_on_wax_off]

Can an Earth Savant get max caster level (20) on Eledar's Electric Surge?
+2 alchemical fire on tier 3
+3 abishai set
+1 chaosrobe
=17 (so 15% less DPS than a water savant using it for instance depending on AP allocation of course)

Anything I missed? This would give max CL on polar ray as well. Might also be relevant for a Fire Savant too wanting to use Niac's Biting Cold and you could get an additional +1 from epic winters wrath for a total of CL: 18 (90% effectiveness on Niac's but not a flash polar ray still).

Food for thought, anyway.

[sephiroth1084]

Think you missed the last couple posts about removing the tiny bit of sorc info I had here.

[Jawny_Carcinogen]

boosting caster level does boost spell pen.

on that note, the archmage set from ToD combined with archmage 5 may also be a possibility. not sure if it stacks with arcane augmentation.

anyways, there's also a bard song that gives bonus caster level (from spellsinger).

also, the epic abishai set can give +3 caster level to evocation and conjuration, which is also worth +3 to spell pen.

completionist is also sustainable, btw.

and you forgot the epic diabolist's robes, for epic conjuration focus (+3), should boost possible conjuration DCs.

the epic conj focus doesn't stack with the abishai set. The set adds CASTER LEVELS to evocation, as stated in the description, but it adds +3 DC to conj not caster levels like it does with the evo.

This is a good thing since there aren't any decent conj spells that aren't hard lvl capped (With the exception maybe of black dragon bolt, that spell wasn't implemented yet when I looked into this)

It's also a good thing because it doesn't chain you to the only +3 conj focus in the game if you want that extra DC, you can use the abishai set and freely choose a docent of your liking, I went with the mabar one! :-D

[bhgiant]

This needs to be updated.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=361567

62 INT and 52 FoD DC. Don't know how since they haven't given the breakdown yet, but there IS a SS.

[sephiroth1084]

This needs to be updated.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=361567

62 INT and 52 FoD DC. Don't know how since they haven't given the breakdown yet, but there IS a SS.

While it's interesting to see someone with higher numbers, this post wasn't all that useful since I have no idea what the guy in the thread you linked has above what is listed here.

Tell ya what, when he gives a breakdown, then post here asking for an update.

[Tid12]

nvm.

[Demsac]

+4 profane from abishai cookies does stack with the profane from litany
I'm not 100% sure if they have changed this but last time I checked Spell augmentation ix doesn't stack with bard song. At least from the staff which should be the same bonus as an alchemical item.

[MRMechMan]

has above what is listed here.

Scratching my head trying to think of WHAT that is.

1 higher int and 2 higher DC (one of which caused by 62 vs 61 int). Is shipbuffed, completionist capstoned lichform yugoed and all that jazz...not sure where that 1 is coming from.

Dunno.

[MRMechMan]

+4 profane from abishai cookies does stack with the profane from litany

Well there you go

[Viisari]

+4 profane from abishai cookies does stack with the profane from litany

Confirmed.

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[-Zephyr-]

(one of which caused by 62 vs 61 int).

2 actually. Because 61 int is +25 mod, not +24 that the OP uses. Upping to 62 int gives a +26 mod, and you got your max DC right there.

[MRMechMan]

Ah right. OP didn't include abishai cookies in DC calculations.

[sephiroth1084]

Thanks for the info about the cookies stacking.

2 actually. Because 61 int is +25 mod, not +24 that the OP uses. Upping to 62 int gives a +26 mod, and you got your max DC right there.

You know, I saw the other posts, skimmed over this one, went back to change the Abishai calc and noticed that I had incorrectly put in a 24 instead of a 25 in the first place. Then I came back to the end of the thread to post that I'd updated, and saw this. Good catch, and thanks, even if I also finally noticed that.

Anybody want to take a quick look over all the figures and double-check that everything is correct right now?

[Tid12]

Anybody want to take a quick look over all the figures and double-check that everything is correct right now?

Seems nothing is missing, gj.

[MRMechMan]

51 necro DC is max listed. All of the DCs are 1 lower than they should be in fact.

Can delete the line "+1 to all of these if you eat abishai cookies" as you now assume that from the start.

[sephiroth1084]

Okay, I think I've readjusted everything to account for Abishai cookies, etc... properly.

Question: Does the bonus to Conjuration DCs from the 5-piece Epic Abishai set stack with Epic Conjuration Focus on the Diabolist Robe/Docent?

Tooled around with the spell point numbers as well. Would appreciate someone giving a once-over to both the DCs and spell points to make sure everything is correct.

[MRMechMan]

Okay, I think I've readjusted everything to account for Abishai cookies, etc... properly.

Question: Does the bonus to Conjuration DCs from the 5-piece Epic Abishai set stack with Epic Conjuration Focus on the Diabolist Robe/Docent?

Tooled around with the spell point numbers as well. Would appreciate someone giving a once-over to both the DCs and spell points to make sure everything is correct.

Looks good. And for what it's worth my friend says they don't stack, but I haven't tested. They shouldn't stack so that's expected.

[Ladywolf]

+50 for the Trinket of Cunning from Crystal Caves.

hmm, i was looking at greater cunning trinket and it only shows 30 extra spell points after fulling upgrading it. Edit...never mind I guess its 50 but the description of item is incorrect lol

[DDOisFree]

Dont forget that for the +7 INT item, you can also use Epic Illusionist's Garb.

The Epic Staff of Inner sight is a weak choice because both the epic diabolist robe and illusionist garb have an empty blue slot that can socket +2 good luck, plus its a 2 hander and the robes are much easier to obtain and you still have both weapon slots free.

With minimal effort, you can obtain 46 INT on a non drow / human / helf:

18 base
+5 from level ups
+7 enhancement (epic illusionist garb or diabolist robe / docent)
+1 and +2 exceptional (easy on a GS wep, pure negative is only 2 LDS, and thats +9 INT usable at level 12 if you TR).
+3 from Wizard INT enhancements
+2 ship buff
+2 lich form
+2 yugo pot
+2 tome
+2 capstone

= 46 INT.

On my Helf wizard, I actually dont need the human adaptability INT as it would bring me up to 47 INT, but on a Drow I would have 48 INT possible along with -70 HP due to 2 lower starting con, losing barb dilly and human adaptability con, and 3 less toughness enhancements which I dont think is worth it. WF + Dwarf con enhancements cost a lot more AP for just 10 HP more possible than a Helf so Im not too keen on those either (2 extra con, 1 less toughness).

Barbarian dilly is fantastic for a Wizard, I wouldnt be able to play one without it anymore.

[sephiroth1084]

Uh...ok.