Spell DC's for a spellsinger

[ArdanosMerrow]

I'd like to make a bard with useful spell DC's in epic, specifically dancing ball/hold monster since they can't get mass hold.

In looking at the DC breakdown I'm finding it a little too low for my taste, let me know if I'm missing something.
Before you say 35 is good, I've run caster quite some time and a 36 hits but doesn't really stick in epic, ideally I'd like a 39+ DC.

DC 35 on Enchant
16 base (Heighten) + 15 stat (40 Cha) + 2 feats + 1 Song + 1 Focus item

I'm not looking to grind a lot of gear for the toon since its mainly just another option when slots are filled. In the future better gear may be available, but I want it to function as soon as I hit 20, not 3-6 months down the road.

Cha breakdown as follow: 18 Base + 1 human + 2 Tome + 5 lvls + 3 enhance + 6 item + 1 exceptional + 2 cap + 2 Ship

While Facinate will stop mobs, it doesn't allow autocrits like hold or continued beating like dance. If I'm right on the DC, then I may be better off just going WC since I'l still be able to Facinate.

[Irinis]

Ok I'm gonna have to do the math instead of following what I done been told.

Bard 38 CHA Spellsinger

Max DC 37
10 + 14 CHA mod + 6 spell level +1 Spellsong trance +2 capstone + 2 Spell Focus + 2 item

Sitting at 40 CHA currently and DC is 38 on Enchantment spells.

[bartosy]

Irinis is right getting dc to 39 requires drow or human +1 and +2 exc charisma and +2 charisma buffs from ship + a +2 enchantment item wich is either the staf of petinioner.. (abbot raid) dreamspitter (reavers raid) or the necro goggles from wiz king on epic (lots of epic quest/raid farming) or getting the eardweller after you get rid of the 4 caster corpses you have to slay before you got a chance on it :P. orchucking yugopots constantly.

Not gonna lie to you it's not something you can do the moment you hit 20 it requres tod (ring) or shroud farming (greensteel weapon) or a mace of greater caster clubbing and tons of luck at least.

[BoBoDaClown]

Cha:
18 base
2 tome
5 levels
3 enhancements
2 cap enhancements
6 item
1 human adapt
1 guild ship
----------- 38 - no gear
1 +3 tome
3 exceptional
----------- 42 relatively easy gear

DC:
10 base
14 Cha
1 Item
2 Capstone
6 Spell Levels (with capstone)
2 Spell Focus Feats
1 Spell Song
----------- 36 - no gear
2 42 Charisma
1 Dreamspitter
----------- 39 - relatively easy gear




After that it is harder stuff:
+2 Cha Yugo Pot = +1 DC
+1 Cha from a +2 guild buff = +.5 DC
+1->+3 Cha from House D pots +1.5 DC
+7 Cha item = +.5 DC
+2 Cha Store Potion = +1 DC

The above stuff is the hard to get/maintain boosts to your cha - while the intial break down is much easier. I have probably missed something.

HTH

[ArdanosMerrow]

Cha:
1 +3 tome
3 exceptional
----------- 42 relatively easy gear

A +3 tome is not "relatively easy gear" imo due to the fact that most come from 20 raid completions and still require luck to actually get the correct tome. The +3 exceptional doesn't either, I included the +1 exc because I do feel its relatively easy to get a ToD ring with +cha, however, the +3 requires 9 trophies or LDS for a GS and as this isn't a priority character it's going to be waiting in line as I stated earlier.

2 42 Charisma
1 Dreamspitter
----------- 39 - relatively easy gear

Also laughed at that. I've done 80+ reavers and haven't pulled a dreamspitter so I don't classify that as "relatively easy" either.

DC:
2 Capstone
-------------
2 42 Charisma
1 Dreamspitter
----------- 39 - relatively easy gear

The capstone bonus to DC's, however, is where you hit the nail on the head. I was counting the charisma bonus but had completely forgotten the +2 DC's to enchant. The additional capstone bonus does make this more viable imo.

Thank you for pointing out what I missed/overlooked.

[BoBoDaClown]

A +3 tome is not "relatively easy gear" imo due to the fact that most come from 20 raid completions and still require luck to actually get the correct tome. The +3 exceptional doesn't either, I included the +1 exc because I do feel its relatively easy to get a ToD ring with +cha, however, the +3 requires 9 trophies or LDS for a GS and as this isn't a priority character it's going to be waiting in line as I stated earlier.




Also laughed at that. I've done 80+ reavers and haven't pulled a dreamspitter so I don't classify that as "relatively easy" either.



The capstone bonus to DC's, however, is where you hit the nail on the head. I was counting the charisma bonus but had completely forgotten the +2 DC's to enchant. The additional capstone bonus does make this more viable imo.

Thank you for pointing out what I missed/overlooked.

Whether or not my terminology of 'relatively easy' is appropriate is kind of irrelevant - I gave you a breakdown on how you can reach certain DCs, you can decide on what is easy for you (my terminology is based on what was easy for me).

[Irinis]

So to sum up, 36 DC is pretty easy, 38 is relatively easy but still a bit grindy (I got lucky to get Staff of the Petitioner within 5 Abbotts), and 39+ gets into grindy territory.