Helves Angel: A Burst DPS Build (12ftr/6Rgr/2Monk)

[Blank_Zero]

Think I found a plan for Smrti to go this route, but need a couple pointers...

Thinking of going 3 fighter PL and a Monk PL before going this route, seeing as you could then get a decent hit die on your fists *Monk PL + Jidz/Equilibrium* ans still have a stun capable toon.

Any thoughts? or am I making it way too complicated now? =P

[LordPiglet]

Wow.. I have been trying to figure out how I wanted to TR my 18 ranger / 2 Fighter.. And I think you have come up with the perfect build for her! I do have a couple of questions, though:

- Would bastard swords be Ok to use with this build? It's what she's been using and I have not only a GS, but several very nice ones for all levels.

- What benefints do havin monk levels give? She does have Rahl's might to use in later levels if necessary, but I'm just curious as I have never played a monk before.

You should craft green steel, either kopesh or picks.

This is a nice build, I actually thought about running something similar, still might lr into it. But I'm running an 11 wisdom, a +3 tome and took the monk dilettante, with 1 level of rogue.

[Dark-Star]

Think I found a plan for Smrti to go this route, but need a couple pointers...

Thinking of going 3 fighter PL and a Monk PL before going this route, seeing as you could then get a decent hit die on your fists *Monk PL + Jidz/Equilibrium* ans still have a stun capable toon.

Any thoughts? or am I making it way too complicated now? =P

Three ftr PLF's would get your stunning fist DC to somewhere around 37 with +10 stunning wraps. Stunning blow would be ~41, 51 with stunners. Both assume you fit in ftr stun IV, meaning you'd have to give up other AP.

37 DC is meh for epic. 44 for stunning blow (that's w/ no PLF ftr or ftr stun enh) is fine.

I had considered this, but feel adding stunning fist gives up too much dps. Stunning blow is enough.

[jakeelala]

I TR'ed my 20 Elf Ranger into this build. I went with Rogue dilletante for the sneak attack. Using Khopesh and a SOS. WIll go Kensai GS once the SoS is epic.

Build is fun but a little underpowered without the most uber gear since you aren't great at TWF for a while, and the AA part doesn't gel until 20 with slayer arrow.

It is a fair amount of fun though. Currently lvl 14.

[Blank_Zero]

Three ftr PLF's would get your stunning fist DC to somewhere around 37 with +10 stunning wraps. Stunning blow would be ~41, 51 with stunners. Both assume you fit in ftr stun IV, meaning you'd have to give up other AP.

37 DC is meh for epic. 44 for stunning blow (that's w/ no PLF ftr or ftr stun enh) is fine.

I had considered this, but feel adding stunning fist gives up too much dps. Stunning blow is enough.

I'm thinking my epics runs will be done this life then, since I'm running the Blitz lol...loving my DC's already

sounds good...don't wanna throw too much more work into this lol

[Dark-Star]

My version, Duality of Man, is now level 15 - thought I'd post some feedback.

After actually playing the build, I have made some adjustments in the order feats should be taken to play to the strengths of the build (see edits in original post).

Also I am trying out the cleric dilettante while leveling, since I have aggro most of the time anyway. I will be switching back to rogue dilettante at 20, but so far the cleric enhancements feel borderline overpowered, and make soloing a piece of cake in any quest so far. And you can basically play cleric as well (I solo healed a Reaver elite for instance).

Another discovery is that even going str based, AC can get to respectable numbers while leveling. High 40's to mid 50's so far has kept most things from landing very often. Obvisously at end game AC is worthless so the gear for the completed character remains unchanged.

[Nick_RC]

Really nice build dark.

Check out in the multiclass forum the 12/6/2 stunner AA - posted a build there but dont have time to see it mature - also really not my strongpoint you could likely do something nice with it - got ur style written all over it lol. It has alot of potential I feel.

N

[Thrudh]

Nice build...

Could you break down how you get 630 hps on this guy?

[Dark-Star]

Nice build...

Could you break down how you get 630 hps on this guy?

Thanks Thrudh and Nick for the comments.

Hit points in tank mode:

120 ftr
16 monk
48 ranger
30 heroic/draconic
210 con
30 gfl
20 toughness
23 toughness feat
45 shroud (swapped in)
20 fighter toughness
20 half elf toughness
40 yugo con pot
622

Double Madstone would add another 40 for 662, but I don't like to count that as sustained. Superior false life on your trinket if you really needed hp, for 672.

Normal DPS mode I would not drink the yugo pot, and probably not wear the shroud helm, so 537 standing around, which in my experience is enough if you are not tanking an elite ToD, especially with evasion.

[Tobril]

Looks incredibly strong. Nice to see the "sleeper" race getting some attention.



Pardon my noobness, however, but why is Weapon Focus:Ranged included?

[Nick_RC]

Looks incredibly strong. Nice to see the "sleeper" race getting some attention.



Pardon my noobness, however, but why is Weapon Focus:Ranged included?

AA prereq

[Dark-Star]

Looks incredibly strong. Nice to see the "sleeper" race getting some attention.



Pardon my noobness, however, but why is Weapon Focus:Ranged included?

Point Blank Shot, Mental Toughness and Weapon Focus: Ranged are all prerequisites to get Arcane Archer and the 500 damage Slayer Arrows.

[Nick_RC]

Point Blank Shot, Mental Toughness and Weapon Focus: Ranged are all prerequisites to get Arcane Archer and the 500 damage Slayer Arrows.

Zing urs wasnt up 10 seconds ago lol!

[Tobril]

Point Blank Shot, Mental Toughness and Weapon Focus: Ranged are all prerequisites to get Arcane Archer and the 500 damage Slayer Arrows.

Ah, looking at the wiki and actually reading all the words seems to help.

Thanks!

[sigtrent]

Nice build, definitely my kind of design as it likes to get a little bit of everything in the package.

[Darkrok]

That said, should one loot a +3 tome, going back and Lesser Ressing would make adjusting your starting stats a breeze. I'd go with more con.

I had a build I was making (healing amp 15pal/3mnk/2rog) on which I really wanted to spread out stats. I started with a 14dex and spent my level 8 level-up for a point of dex. Once I pull a +3 dex tome I'll go back and LR in order to change that one point spent in dex back to str. Just another way of handling it if maxing out str is less important to the build than spreading the love to several stats.

[HarveyMilk]

Dark-Star, I started my first melee with your slapper build. Loved it. Really really loved it. Never got any ToD ring upgrades or good handwraps (except for some portal beater +5 vicious of pg with icy, and some +5 stunning +10 with icy). Did get Icy robes and some other decent AC gear and enjoyed the AC and dmg balance it had a lot.

So I made my first gs khops and TR'd into a 13 rogue/6ftr/1monk and am at level 8. It's great to have stunning plus awesome sneak attack.

After capping, and crafting a Lit2 bow, I plan to TR into my version of Helves Angel. I'll pop in the rogue past life feat and quick draw instead of PL: pally and extend. I can't wait to pop the Sneak of shadows and manyshot on mobs with 0% fort.

And I love the idea of cleric dilly on the level up. That's exactly what I was thinking.

Thanks for all the fun builds! I really think yours are among the best. My first character was an almost exact copy of Impaqt's Evoker FvS and I'll never TR it.

[Crann]

With the Cleric Dilletante Feat, could you give a rough Heal Scroll % / level breakdown....or basically, at what point do you get no fail Heal Scrolls?

Was planning a similar build with 2 levels Rogue for the UMD, but my main drive behind the UMD was Heal Scrolls, which would include swapping gear.

That with the hopping around seems to get difficult in the situtations you really need the Scrolls.

Thanks for posting this build, it has given me alot to think about with an upcoming TR.

[Sani_Medicor]

With the Cleric Dilletante Feat, could you give a rough Heal Scroll % / level breakdown....or basically, at what point do you get no fail Heal Scrolls?

Was planning a similar build with 2 levels Rogue for the UMD, but my main drive behind the UMD was Heal Scrolls, which would include swapping gear.

That with the hopping around seems to get difficult in the situtations you really need the Scrolls.

Thanks for posting this build, it has given me alot to think about with an upcoming TR.

I believe it's 95% when you get the 3rd tier at level 15.

[xberto]

I’ve got a very similar build except its an Elf (before helf release) and I have the+6 ranged damage from 3xranger PL. I already had the gear so I went Kensei Rapier. My final Str/dex stats are a little more balanced than the Helves Angel. I’m going to TR one last time. I’m going to build a little closer to your Helves Angel except for I'm considering a few changes.

I’ll probably go Kensei Longbow and swap Pally PL & Extend for IC Slash & Kopesh This would give the ranged burst a little more oomph, as well as having a bigger impact to the 30 Dex-based to-hit vs the melee weapons that already have a huge bonus to hit because of the high Str. Without Kensei melee, there is no pressure to make a weapon choice. I can squeeze in IC Ranged, Slash and Pierce. I’ll be able to keep my rapiers for crit based attacks and alternately be able to use Kopesh or heavy picks depending on situation. Any thoughts?