Helves Angel: A Burst DPS Build (12ftr/6Rgr/2Monk)

[Failedlegend]

Yes many thoughts about that.

There are pros and cons, and getting 10,000 Stars makes for more of a true ranged build, vs. what this is: burst ranged during Many Shot and melee in between.

In short it is a different build all together. I may put an idea I have on paper after I complete the current TR of my Monk.

I'd also love to hear you opinion on the Monk12/Fighter7/1Caster (Arty is best but is P2P) when you get that TR

Something like this (slight variations depending on player but its the general idea)

Half-Elf Monk12/Fighter7/Arty1 NS2/Kensai1/AA

Str 14 (+1H-Elf, +2 Tome, +2 Fighter, etc.)
Dex 16 (+1 Lvl +2 Tome = 19 = IPS Pre-Req)
Con 14 (+2 Tome = 16 = Tier 3 Earth Stance Pre-Req) 
Int 12 (+2 Tome for skills...than nothing)
Wis 14 (+4 Lvl, +2 Tome, +3 Monk, +1 H-Elf,etc.)
Cha 8 (+2 Tome,etc.)

Arty 1
Fighter 2,3
Monk 4 - 15
Fighter 17-20

Regular
HE Rogue Dilly
1 Point Blank Shot
3 WF:Ranged
6 Mental Toughness
9 Manyshot
12 Bow Strength
15 Improved Precise Shot
18 Toughness

Monk
4 Zen Archery
5 Dodge
6 Dark Path
9 Stunning Fist (+50% damage is nothing to scoff at and a Wis based build will hit with this easily)

Fighter
2 Precise Shot
3 Rapid Shot
17 WS: Ranged
19 IC:Ranged


Monk 12

4 Bonus Feats
Tier 3 Stances
Increased Movement Speed
Wis to AC
Abundant Step
+3 Centered AC
Evasion
Improved Evasion
Flurry of Blows (Makes Monk contribution to BAB 12 instead of 9)
Disease/Poison Immune
Meditation/Wholeness of Body (Ki/HP Regen)
Ten Thousand Stars
Ninja Spy 2 (3D6 SA, Shadow Fade,etc.)
Full Monk Heal Amp
Monk Wisdom 3

Fighter 7

4 Bonus Feats
Full BAB (which when combined with Monk FoB makes for 19 BAB at Lvl 20)
Fighter Toughness
Fighter Str 2
Haste Boost 3
Kensai 1 (Weapon Mastery etc.)

Arty 1

UMD (As well as +2 UMD to Scroll Use)
OL
A Blue Bar (AA Pre-Req)
Lvl 1 Doggy Construct AKA Box Destroyer (Leave him on passive and he'll go nuts on destructibles...technically an XP boost as most people ignore the vandal bonus)


Half-Elf

Rogue Dilettante (3d6 SA, 1 Rogue Dex)
Heal Amp
Elven AA
Human Str 1
Human Wis 1
Racial Toughness

Here's how a Combat rotation would go:

1. Manyshot 20 Second

2. Regular Shooting 10 Seconds

3. 10,000 Stars 30 Seconds

4. Regular Shooting 30 Seconds

5. 10,000 Stars 30 Seconds

6. Return to 1

Note: Can also throw a quick stunning fist just before 10kStars/Manyshot as well as haste boost, damage boost,etc.


Here's my version of the build http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=352594

[Crann]

I was thinking more along the lines of 12 monk(zen, 10,000 stars, greater mountain), 6 ranger (bow feats, twf feats, Ram's, 2 FE) and 2 rogue or fighter to have at least 1 tier haste boost.

Hate going away from 12 fighter with a dps build though.

I am just getting back into the game after a couple month absence, and it really looks like there have been some pretty significant changes. There are more and more times I have been wishing for more ranged ability while leveling my guy (when they give the crack to the air ellies?)

I will be very interested to see how you proccess these changes into your next build, or this one. I will be looking for a build to play with for awhile as a 3rd life with Ranger/Pally PL's, and so far this is the one I have chosen.

Thanks for posting this thread, and others, you've been a great source of insight as to how to put builds together.

[Crann]

Here's how a Combat rotation would go:

1. Manyshot 20 Second

2. Regular Shooting 10 Seconds

3. 10,000 Stars 30 Seconds

4. Regular Shooting 30 Seconds

5. 10,000 Stars 30 Seconds

6. Return to 1

Note: Can also throw a quick stunning fist just before 10kStars/Manyshot as well as haste boost, damage boost,etc.

How's the ki generation work with this rotation? Maybe instead of 2 and 4 spend those striking with fire stance?

[sweez]

I was thinking the Rage, does that get extended with the Extend feat?

edit: Just noticed Dark's comments on post #5, so will probly can the Barb.

Nope it's just a 30 sec rage that leaves you exhausted and drinking lesser resto pots.

[Failedlegend]

I was thinking more along the lines of 12 monk(zen, 10,000 stars, greater mountain), 6 ranger (bow feats, twf feats, Ram's, 2 FE) and 2 rogue or fighter to have at least 1 tier haste boost.

Hate going away from 12 fighter with a dps build though.

I find Haste Boost far to important to this build to give up for uneeded Melee feats also going fighter allows you to front load Monk which for me matters since it takes me quite a long time to level compared to some people (Heard of an average of 1-3weeks to level) especially due to my alitis

The FE & Rams are nice but Fighter gets similar boosts from Kensai and Str enhancements,etc. and they work regardless of enemy type

How's the ki generation work with this rotation? Maybe instead of 2 and 4 spend those striking with fire stance?

Yeah 2 & 4 can easily be used to buff up Ki in Fire Stance with a Q-Staff (IOW no feats needed) moreso 4 as 2 isn't very long but Honestly in the heat of battle I find Earth stance is more than enough to keep my Ki up (Get Ki when hit)

Also ranged not generating Ki IIRC has been acknowledged as a Bug so the need for melee becomes moot which will tip the scales even more in fighters favor...I'll try to find the Dev post when I get home (On break at work don't have time to search)

Overall I'd say Ranger (M12/R6/X2) is the "Safer" option but the Fighter (M12/F7/A1) is the stronger build

[Limey]

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[Nephilia]

I just bulded a toon over your build an it looks great by now. I just used a 32 point build so I started with 17/17/14/8/8/8 as u suggested
I even drop off extended spell cause without PLala I found it a little overkill since all the ranger spell got a nice duration an carry a minor pot for some extreme situation shouldn't be a problem Those freed me up two feat slot I filled with another toughness and don't remember perfectly what else but... that's all XD

I just have some questions for u :

1) What's the +8 power surge are u counting on your str cooldown? I really don't know that bonus O_O

2) About kensai: what is the weapon I should get like specialization?? I builded the toon on longbow but maybe I should take something like khopesh or light pick? (In that case I would love khopesh over light pick so I'll swap all piercing weapon line into slashing, obviously!)

3) Do u really don't have a 45hp GS item into your final gear? or is just a type error??

Ty for the informations, your build is qute awesome and I'm sure I'll have a lot of fun running it

[CheeseMilk]

1) What's the +8 power surge are u counting on your str cooldown? I really don't know that bonus O_O

The Kensai prestige line gives you a Power Surge clicky at its second tier that adds 8 stacking strength, and uses your Fighter Attack Boosts.

[Dark-Star]

I just bulded a toon over your build an it looks great by now. I just used a 32 point build so I started with 17/17/14/8/8/8 as u suggested
I even drop off extended spell cause without PLala I found it a little overkill since all the ranger spell got a nice duration an carry a minor pot for some extreme situation shouldn't be a problem Those freed me up two feat slot I filled with another toughness and don't remember perfectly what else but... that's all XD

I just have some questions for u :

1) What's the +8 power surge are u counting on your str cooldown? I really don't know that bonus O_O

2) About kensai: what is the weapon I should get like specialization?? I builded the toon on longbow but maybe I should take something like khopesh or light pick? (In that case I would love khopesh over light pick so I'll swap all piercing weapon line into slashing, obviously!)

3) Do u really don't have a 45hp GS item into your final gear? or is just a type error??

Ty for the informations, your build is qute awesome and I'm sure I'll have a lot of fun running it

1. See above post.

2. Take melee specialization. Khopesh or picks are fine, even wraps.

3. Yes. Situationally it comes off, but I like HPs.

Good luck with the build!

[Strider1963]

How do you plan on getting +5 arrows and slayer arrows.... you have to be RANGER 18 to get them???

[aristarchus1000]

How do you plan on getting +5 arrows and slayer arrows.... you have to be RANGER 18 to get them???

If you pick up the elven AA prestige you don't need ranger.

[grodon9999]

Probably already asked . . . but what would you drop for improved Sunder? My AA's going paladin next life with this as the eventual destination.

[Dark-Star]

Probably already asked . . . but what would you drop for improved Sunder? My AA's going paladin next life with this as the eventual destination.

I wouldn't.

But if forced to? Stunning Blow.

[Ploks]

I have a couple of questions.

1. How viable is using wraps most if not all of the time in melee combat? Using stunning wraps vs trash and dps wraps vs bosses.

2. If I were to use wraps in melee, what stance would you recommend? Fire or air?

[Dark-Star]

Wraps are viable.

Air.

[Dark-Star]

For a relative DPS comparison, take a look at Shade's DPS Challenge thread here where a guildie of mine Aygo set the record for both 100% fort and 0% fort targets. He has a slightly modified version, decked out with with 3x all the melee lives.

[Lifespawn]

helf 11 ranger 6 monk 3 arty dump dex high wis good con and str


manyshot
10k stars
melee for ki in fire stance
10stars
manyshot



repeat stunning fist in there dark monk for sneak attack helf dilly for cleric maybe.

arty 3 for elemental weapons and repeater/runearm use if you wanted to.

[Renvar]

Hey, Cleen.

I've got a +4 dex tome on Ventrellia (34 point blitz build). Going to be TR'ing her soon. How would you do the starting stats with a 36 point build with a +4 dex tome?

Thanks for the advice and the great build.

[Dark-Star]

Hey, Cleen.

I've got a +4 dex tome on Ventrellia (34 point blitz build). Going to be TR'ing her soon. How would you do the starting stats with a 36 point build with a +4 dex tome?

Thanks for the advice and the great build.

I would probably use the stats as they are presented to level, then LR at 20 after eating my +4 dex tome; starting with 15 dex and adjusting any feats to meet the min dex (meaning taking them later), and put the rest of my stat points into con.

To hit has not seemed to be an issue so far, and more HPs are always great.

Good luck!

[Renvar]

I would probably use the stats as they are presented to level, then LR at 20 after eating my +4 dex tome; starting with 15 dex and adjusting any feats to meet the min dex (meaning taking them later), and put the rest of my stat points into con.

To hit has not seemed to be an issue so far, and more HPs are always great.

Good luck!

Sounds good. Thanks. Hey, I was a fighter in the first life and am blitz now. Which would be a better fit for this build? Another Fighter past life or a Barb past life? I'm not sure either active past life feat is really needed, so it comes down to +10 HP vs another +1 to Hit and +1 tactics DC.

I have a couple hearts of wood, so I don't mind doing an LR on the toon before TRing.